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| paisley Groupie United States Joined 5715 days ago 59 posts - 60 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin | Message 9 of 72 01 January 2010 at 8:16am | IP Logged |
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i love reading these TAC logs. You guys (here at HTLAL forum) are hard core.
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| Icaria909 Senior Member United States Joined 5594 days ago 201 posts - 346 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 10 of 72 02 January 2010 at 6:10pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks paisley.
For today, I completed one section in "Learn Russian the fast and fun way." I really enjoy this book because it spends time on grammar and vocab and the lessons are geared toward travelors. For instance, in one lesson you are supposed to look at a Moscow Train schedule and record when certain trains are leaving the station. I personally really like the book. I also spent time reading over Shaum's Russian Grammar. The Grammar goes over my head a little bit because I haven't spent time studying it yet, but I just wanted to get a quick overview of some of the grammatical points. For Spanish, I've taken to Iverson's idea of writing conjugation tables and grammar rules on bright colored pieces of paper for ready access. So far I've only applied it to Spanish. I was looking through youtube yesterday trying to find a good Spanish soap opera (the spaniards and brazilians make the best ones), when I found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYO5aw4wPHE&NR=1&feature=fvwp It relates a few sites to look at and on the right hand side he has another dozen sites to look at. I personally checked out the Spanish and russian wikibooks. The russian wikibook was great for basic grammar, but it didn't have much reading material. But the Spanish wikibook was superb. It included a "textbook" online and a short story from a latin american writer with notes on vocabulary and idiomatic expressions. I have made it my goal to get at least through one chapter of the book by the end of the month. Edited by Icaria909 on 02 January 2010 at 6:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| joanthemaid Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5473 days ago 483 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Russian, German | Message 11 of 72 02 January 2010 at 10:53pm | IP Logged |
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Man, that was almost 10 hours of studying two days ago. Impressive! Well keep at it and we'll definitely win!
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| joanthemaid Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5473 days ago 483 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Russian, German | Message 12 of 72 03 January 2010 at 12:07am | IP Logged |
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Hey, I've taken a look at some of the other teams' logs and from what I've seen I think we're doing really well! I just hope we're not going to burn ourselves out before say, the end of the month. Logging in your hours is a good idea, I think I might start doing that too. 400-420 hours doesn't sound like a lot though, to learn a language. What level of proficiency would you get to? Basic fluency? And Russian is probably going to be easier for us than Russian (particularly so for me I suppose, but even for you guys). So it should take fewer hours. I can already say though that I really love the conjugation system in Russian (there really isn't much of one.) I guess it makes up for all the cases and genders. Edited by joanthemaid on 04 January 2010 at 10:20pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Sprachjunge Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 7168 days ago 368 posts - 548 votes Speaks: English*, GermanC2 Studies: Spanish, Russian | Message 13 of 72 03 January 2010 at 8:52am | IP Logged |
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Hello! I agree with Joanthemaid. I think Team Gordo is doing great. I also respect the whole logging hours thing; it really keeps one accountable. I'm always struck by either how long or how short an hour really is.
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| Icaria909 Senior Member United States Joined 5594 days ago 201 posts - 346 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 14 of 72 04 January 2010 at 6:15pm | IP Logged |
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I don't have much time to type. So, it takes 420 hours to learn Spanish or Russian if you have no prior experience related languages (I'm assuming). The number of hours required to learn the language would significantly decrease if you knew another romance or slavic language (or maybe even decrease just by knowing another Indo-European Language). As far as I understand, the 420 hours is a benchmark for Basic Fluency (meaning you could speak comfortably about a wide range of topics, read the literature, write very well, and understand the news, where you could live in the country). To go much further would require you to move to a country with that target language and go through immersion. I don't know though, i would be curious how long it took for some of the polyglots to develop their respective target languages. By the way, other languages have different numbers (at least according to my source). Mandarin takes longer, as does swahili and French, and Esperanto required half the time of Spanish. But I know these numbers are true Spanish and Russian. I got to go, I'll post my progress later.
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| joanthemaid Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5473 days ago 483 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Russian, German | Message 15 of 72 04 January 2010 at 10:22pm | IP Logged |
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This is really keeping me motivated... I don't know how many hours of each I've done so far but I'm going to start counting them!
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| Icaria909 Senior Member United States Joined 5594 days ago 201 posts - 346 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 16 of 72 05 January 2010 at 5:04am | IP Logged |
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Today was a grammar day. I was supposed to do one hour of russian study and one hour of Spanish study, but the russian workbook I am using (Schaum's Russian Grammar) took me twice as long to complete than I expected using up my entire two hours of study time. I'll just have to get up early tommorow to make up for it. I feel like I am making progress. The two hours I just spent on Russian was geared toward better understanding palatization, hard and soft consonants, the Votka rule, and a few spelling and pronounciation rules. By the end I felt pretty comfortable with reading the russian alphabet (if not understand what I am reading....). While I was working on that I had kept on russian music too. I was mostly listening to СЛОТ - Доска, so I am only going to count it as 30 minutes rather than two hours because so much of my listening time was spent on one song. What can I say though, it's a good song.
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