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Gusutafu
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 Message 49 of 91
30 January 2010 at 11:54am | IP Logged 
davidwelsh wrote:
Gusutafu wrote:
You misunderstood our discussion, it was about flexibility in a historical sense, language change. Someone claimed that there was an official grammar, I retorted that this must mean less language change, less adaptation.


The "untouchability" of the basic rules of the Fundamento [...]

In fact, Esperanto changes and evolves in exactly the same way as any other living language.


This seems a bit contradictory, but it really doesn't interest me. I just made a comment based on someone else's information. If the official grammar is not more than a description, so be it. I really don't care. As many others have observed, whether or not Esperanto will become a world language or not has nothing to do with how easy, flexible, neutral, brilliant or generally wonderful it is. All constructed languages fail, always. And there is always a loud but small group of enthusiasts that, like crackpot inventors, strongly believe that it will revolutionise the world and bring peace and happiness to everyone. It's a bit less sad than all those people that have "constructed a perpetuum mobile", because conlang activists can at least hang out with each other and have conferences where they talk about the wonderful future that lies ahead, where everyone understands everyone, and consequently there is no more war. (Forgetting that language is not everything, just look at the American Civil war or Jugoslavia).

Edited by Gusutafu on 30 January 2010 at 12:08pm

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vilas
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 Message 50 of 91
06 March 2010 at 4:53am | IP Logged 
Interlingua was never designed as an international language; it was just made for passive reading by people who already knew a Romance language. That really only leaves Esperanto.   
[QUOTE=datsunking1]

Interlingua is a language developed by a team of professional linguists between 1924 and 1951, based mainly on the Romance languages and intended as a medium of international communication.

La differentia inter esperanto e interlingua es que esperanto ha un propulsion militante a devenir le lingua universal , ma necessita multe studio pro aprender un novo vocabulario , interlingua no ha la pretention de devenir mundial ma es multe plus facila aprender sin effortio. Ambes es destinate a remaner un amusamento pro restricte circulos de personas .
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Sandman
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 Message 51 of 91
06 March 2010 at 7:22am | IP Logged 
If a bar is empty, would you go in?

Esperanto and the other "universal" languages suffer from what we in economics call the "first mover advantage". Do you want to learn Chinese/Spanish or ancient Sumerian?

It's the same reason people keep using Windows time and time again, even though there are better alternatives.
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Johntm
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 Message 52 of 91
06 March 2010 at 7:37am | IP Logged 
Sandman wrote:

It's the same reason people keep using Windows time and time again, even though there are better alternatives.
Ahh, but that depends on what you need from your OS.
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StuHughes
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 Message 53 of 91
08 March 2010 at 3:28pm | IP Logged 
Steve Kaufmann gives a good answer to the original question


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vilas
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 Message 54 of 91
10 March 2010 at 7:42pm | IP Logged 
Le better articial idioma dopo interlingua ist europanto, la mixa de alles eurpeaanse
blablas without aucun regola. Adelanto mit Europanto .

Watch this video

http://rt.com/About_Us/Programmes/Spotlight/2009-11-10/52148 8.html

go to yhis sitr

http://www.europanto.be/
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John Smith
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 Message 55 of 91
14 March 2010 at 2:48am | IP Logged 
vilas wrote:
Le better articial idioma dopo interlingua ist europanto, la mixa de alles eurpeaanse
blablas without aucun regola. Adelanto mit Europanto .

Watch this video

http://rt.com/About_Us/Programmes/Spotlight/2009-11-10/52148 8.html

go to yhis sitr

http://www.europanto.be/


What you wrote doesn't look like a mix of all European languages. It just looks like a mix of English, German, Italian, and French. What about the Slavic languages, Greek, Hungarian, Albanian, Finish etc. etc.

We already have a Germanic/Romance hybrid. English!

Edited by John Smith on 14 March 2010 at 2:48am

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vilas
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 Message 56 of 91
16 March 2010 at 9:18pm | IP Logged 
[/QUOTE]

What you wrote doesn't look like a mix of all European languages. It just looks like a mix of English, German, Italian, and French. What about the Slavic languages, Greek, Hungarian, Albanian, Finish etc. etc.

We already have a Germanic/Romance hybrid. English![/QUOTE]

Interlingua is a moderne latin understood by most of romance-languages dpeakers...

http://www.slovio.com/ this is a slavic-based interlingua understood in almost all east europe

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkspraak is a German-family based interlingua

europanto is just a joke und tu peux fare comment at you gustas . It depends mit tu are hablante . It puede etre italo-fra-spa or anglo-germ-dutch or anglo spa-portu
or wathever you like...

the natural extreme northern mini-Europanto" is called 'Skandinavisk',

like the portunhol mix of Spanish and portuguese...spoken in Sothern America..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portu%C3%B1ol


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