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| BobbyE Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5248 days ago 226 posts - 331 votes  Speaks: English*, Mandarin | Message 17 of 32 26 December 2010 at 10:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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The muscles in your tongue might not be limber enough to roll your r's. To exercise them, I did the "vision dream" exercise found on the wikihow "how to roll your r's" page. There is also a youtube video about it, although his explanation of the transition did not apply to me. This exercise got my tongue flapping from the air, although it was not a real rolled R. I did this exercise for quite a while, off and on for a few months, and tweaking and experimenting with it. After I could consistently get it to flap, I started experimenting via trial and error, listening to native speakers, and one day it just clicked. I had finally found the right touch and the right spot to get it to work. Now I can roll my Rs.
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| Kubelek Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland chomikuj.pl/Kuba_wal Joined 6853 days ago 415 posts - 528 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishC2, French, Spanish Studies: German | Message 18 of 32 27 December 2010 at 8:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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Would any native speaker of Castillian be so kind as to upload a sound file of their RRR?
I think what would be most helpful for me is several seconds of continuous RRRRRRR :) Longer would be great if you're able to do it outside of words. I'd like to make sure that I got the speed right. We roll the R in Polish but it's not as intense... :) thanks in advance! Edited by Kubelek on 27 December 2010 at 8:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6676 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 19 of 32 27 December 2010 at 8:34pm | IP Logged | ||
Here you have my voice: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/sounds/235.mp3 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5227 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 20 of 32 27 December 2010 at 9:15pm | IP Logged | ||
Anyway (real reason to post:), perhaps it would be interesting to have single 'r' and double 'rr' sounds to make the differences really stand out. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Darklight1216 Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5101 days ago 411 posts - 639 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German | Message 21 of 32 28 December 2010 at 2:30am | IP Logged | ||
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I hate the "RR" sound. I could never do it in school and my teachers and classmates kept saying that I wasn't trying hard enough. Reason number 871 to hate Spanish...
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6676 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 22 of 32 28 December 2010 at 8:12am | IP Logged | ||
Your are right. There are a lot of reasons to hate Spanish, but women are reason enough to study it. :O)))) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Kubelek Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland chomikuj.pl/Kuba_wal Joined 6853 days ago 415 posts - 528 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishC2, French, Spanish Studies: German | Message 23 of 32 28 December 2010 at 10:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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mrwarper:
please, if you could take 20 seconds of your time to record that continuous sound, I would really appreciate it! As for 'r' and 'rr'.. is there more to it than just the duration of the sound? Slucido: you have a pleasant voice, thanks for that tongue twister. The reason why I ask for just the R is because I want to loop it. I tried cutting the 'r' out of your sample but I couldn't get it to sound natural when looped. I need to get well finally and record a sound sample for you to dissect ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5227 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 24 of 32 28 December 2010 at 11:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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Kubelek,
I'm sorry to tell you that I gave away my microphone after two+ years of dust collecting, so I'd actually need to take a trip to some computer store or something. Maybe some other time, or maybe Slucido may want to do it :) Anyway, I never put much thought to describe the difference, but let's try: For the 'r' sound your tongue flaps just once, and that's why English speakers saying 'todos' may end up being misheard as saying 'toros' when speaking Spanish (same points of articulations) if their 'd' is quick enough. For the 'rr' sound, the tongue has to flap more than once, but I'm not sure if it's two or three - I'm trying to count right now but it happens too fast. I'll guess it's three because that would explain why Russians etc. sometimes make an 'r' sound that's just between 'r' and 'rr': they would just flap their tongue out and back in and go with the next phoneme instead of flapping it out once more to get the second 'r'. But as I said, take this with a grain of salt. WRT flapping speed, it really depends on the amount of air you exhale, but there's no need for fancy stuff: I think the amount that goes out from normal Spanish vowels sets your flapping to the right speed automatically - I don't remember any strange 'rr's from my Spanish-speaking Polish friends :) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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