JPike1028 Triglot Senior Member United States piketransitions Joined 5402 days ago 297 posts - 337 votes Speaks: English*, French, Italian Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Portuguese, Czech
| Message 1 of 6 30 December 2010 at 9:04pm | IP Logged |
Which is the more "neutral" or "popular" pronunciation of words such as 'station', [staʃun] or [stahun]?
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jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6914 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map
| Message 2 of 6 31 December 2010 at 2:46am | IP Logged |
[stahun] is the most common pronunciation.
sj/stj/skj/sk/sch is normally pronounced [h/hw] (but always [sh] in Finland-Swedish)
tj/kj/-tion/(k in certain positions) is always pronounced [sh] (but [ch] in Finland-Swedish, e.g. tjusig, kjol, kött) get a t-sound before - similar to "ch" (as in chap)). In Finland-Swedish, that is.
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JPike1028 Triglot Senior Member United States piketransitions Joined 5402 days ago 297 posts - 337 votes Speaks: English*, French, Italian Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Portuguese, Czech
| Message 3 of 6 31 December 2010 at 4:28am | IP Logged |
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
[stahun] is the most common pronunciation.
tj/kj/-tion/(k in certain positions) is always pronounced [sh] |
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This confuses me. The common pronunciation is [stahun], but the rule is that -tion is pronounced [ʃ]?
Is 'station' an exception? Does 'motion' follow the rule, or the exception?
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arturs Triglot Senior Member Latvia Joined 5276 days ago 278 posts - 408 votes Speaks: Latvian*, Russian, English
| Message 4 of 6 31 December 2010 at 9:02am | IP Logged |
If I remember correctly all words with -sion and -tion were pronounced as [h] in Sweden and [sh] in Finland. There were no exceptions. So it means that "motion" is also pronounced as [mohu:n].
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| Message 5 of 6 31 December 2010 at 10:53am | IP Logged |
JPike1028 wrote:
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
[stahun] is the most common pronunciation.
tj/kj/-tion/(k in certain positions) is always pronounced [sh] |
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This confuses me. The common pronunciation is [stahun], but the rule is that -tion is pronounced [ʃ]?
Is 'station' an exception? Does 'motion' follow the rule, or the exception?
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Oops! -tion should not be in that group (but the Finland-Swedish pronunciation still applies).
In 'motion' and 'nation', the 't' is pronounced, but the sound after is [hw] (or [ʃ] in some dialects, and Finland-Swedish).
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JPike1028 Triglot Senior Member United States piketransitions Joined 5402 days ago 297 posts - 337 votes Speaks: English*, French, Italian Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Portuguese, Czech
| Message 6 of 6 31 December 2010 at 11:04am | IP Logged |
OK, that makes more sense. Thank you much!
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