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| Sun_Wukong Newbie China Joined 5080 days ago 34 posts - 46 votes Speaks: Portuguese* | Message 33 of 38 03 January 2011 at 2:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Since you mentioned... I plan on taking an intensive summer program this year. My three
options are: Beijing Broadcasting University (it goes by other name now) - just for the fetishism of been trained in broadcasting pronunciation; Changchun (several options, all cheap and I could hire a tutor for extra lessons; plus it's supposed to be the chinese hollywood and I'm taking a film degree); Harbin (same as Changchun without the movie industry thing). Any advice? You mention dongbei accent is slightly different. The reason why I thought about going there is that people always say it's the closest in natural speech to standard putonghua. I could just practice on the streets. Would you care to elaborate further? Thanks! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| lanni Senior Member China Joined 6264 days ago 102 posts - 156 votes  Speaks: Mandarin* Studies: English | Message 34 of 38 03 January 2011 at 6:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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to Sun_Wukong:
If I were you, I would choose the Beijing programme. Because you will meet perhaps the best tutors in this field around China. Good models and methods are very much enlightening for your further progress especially if you will be doing self-study and practice afterwards. Only one short summer. In this case, excellent tutoring is more important than cheap&good exposure. I recommended Heilongjiang only as a second option and only when you could stay there for a fairly long period of time. Dongbei refers to four parts from north to south: Heilongjiang, bits of inner Mongolia, Jilin and Liaoning. I tick off Liaoning upfront because in some areas of that province the intonations are rather dramatic, and when they speak fast, they don't sound very elegant. Jilin has less problems. As of the bits of inner Mongolia, it depends on which of other three provinces it is close to geographically. Heilongjiang people are the most clear-tongued among them. Sometimes they would confuse consonants between "z"and"zh","c"and"ch","s"and"sh","r"and "y(i)". For example, the word of 吃菜(eat dishes/eat vegetables), they may say "chi1chai4", or "ci1cai4", or "chi1cai4"(the correct one). Even when they confuse these consonants, they would utter the confused ones clearly and standardly. They would make the vowels of stressed wordgroup longer in each sentence (this feature always makes me think of German people's way of speaking, or visé versa.). And senior people out there tend to pop out a couple of Russian loan words or loan words from local minors occasionally. What else...? I'm afraid these are what I could think of for the moment. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| egill Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5697 days ago 418 posts - 791 votes Speaks: Mandarin, English* Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 35 of 38 04 January 2011 at 1:27am | IP Logged | |||||
I'm not sure which part you want me to elaborate on, I'm going to assume it's the first. I just meant that amongst native Mandarin speakers the retroflex sounds can run the gamut all the way from being very far back (like touching the hard palate) to moderately retroflexed, to not being retroflexed at all. In general, southern speakers often are moderately to barely retroflexed, even in acrolectal speech. One thing that be useful to note is that Mandarin retroflex sounds are laminal, meaning they are articulated with the blade and not the tip of the tongue (as in many of the Indic languages) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| CheeseInsider Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5123 days ago 193 posts - 238 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin* Studies: French, German | Message 36 of 38 04 January 2011 at 7:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hmm, it should be very easy to distinguish between all of the consonant sounds, especially if your study materials feature a standard Mandarin accent. Anyways, everybody has given you great advice already. And remember that there are a very wide variety of acceptable Chinese accents all throughout China and Taiwan, so don't worry or stress too too much about pronunciation :) Good luck!
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| junglegreen Newbie Canada Joined 5074 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: EnglishC2 | Message 37 of 38 04 January 2011 at 7:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I am also new to Mandarin and got confused with pronunciation, however there are great tools such as the pinyin table. It has over 1500 individual sounds. Here is the link a found it very resourceful
http://www.quickmandarin.com/chinesepinyintable/ Edited by junglegreen on 04 January 2011 at 7:21pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 38 of 38 04 January 2011 at 8:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
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While q is a voiceless aspirated consonant, j is voiced unaspirated. However, the point where a language separates voiced from voiceless consonants differs, even within dialects, so what Mandarin considers voiced may technically qualify as voiceless in another language's paradigm.
I haven't studied Mandarin in ages, but I certainly remember that the voiced/unvoiced boundary quite differs from that of English and most European languages. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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