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| lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5303 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes  | Message 1 of 49 16 January 2011 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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What I want to say won't make me the most popular man of the year, but who cares:
I guess many of the people I want to address have read the thread about "Immersion does not work". If you are one of those who answer any question with their credo (listen, watch tv, don't learn, or whatever nonsense you have read about on some obscure internet site), whose belief is stronger than their qualification and whose motivation is based merely on the modern ease of spreading opinions, no matter how stupid they actually are: Remember that with great power comes great responsibility, and that you can cause severe damage. Start writing a diary where you can let your opinions flow. Don't force others to read your nonsense. Edit: This is what it is all about, korman wrote: "I want to learn Korean, and I'm trying the "immersion" method. I have dramas, music, and have Korean books. I try to have something in Korean in front of me at least 8 hours a day. I've been doing this for 6 months, and I still have no idea what is being said, or what I'm reading. Why? " You see, from time to time someone takes your advice for real. Because you forgot to mention that in addition to your manga animes you took three years of college courses. You have not learned anything there, of course, so you did not mention this irrelevant little detail in your invariable answer mantra. Edited by lingoleng on 16 January 2011 at 9:11pm 14 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Segata Triglot Groupie Germany Joined 5176 days ago 64 posts - 125 votes Speaks: German*, Japanese, English Studies: Korean, Esperanto | Message 3 of 49 16 January 2011 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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So I, for example, who advocates an approach which involves a lot of immersion as opposed to learning in the traditional sense of the word and which apparently worked quite well for me and some friends I've talked to, am not entitled to my opinion and may not share my thoughts with other people? Why thank you very much. I was not aware of this fact.
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6680 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 4 of 49 16 January 2011 at 7:28pm | IP Logged | ||
It doesn't matter. Lay people spread nonsense without qualifications. Expert people spread nonsense with qualifications. Don't worry. Be happy. 15 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| genini1 Senior Member United States Joined 5473 days ago 114 posts - 161 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 5 of 49 16 January 2011 at 8:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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If one is looking for serious scientific studies then they should be reading published books or scientific papers. When using an essentially anonymous internet forum the default assumption is that any evidence is either second hand or anecdotal.
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6016 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 7 of 49 17 January 2011 at 12:00am | IP Logged | ||
Of course he's accusing everyone, because everyone is guilty of it at some time or other. I'm always saying the exact same thing as lingoleng. I was especially vocal last year about a particularly popular language blog. There is a tendancy to boil things down to simple "rules" and "principles", and when someone points other things out it's all "ah well, of course there's more to it than that", and "well I do that, but it's not important" or even "well people can learn that bit of it elsewhere". But there is evidence all over the internet of people just like the one lingoleng quoted who take the advice given literally. I may seem like a jumped-up, argumentative little shit at times, but when I argue here, I'm trying to present or dig out the full story so that no-one goes away with an over-simplified view of the process. Edit: And of course when I say everyone's guilty, I include myself in that. It's quite difficult to be explicit and complete all the time, and it's only human to fail to be so. Edited by Cainntear on 17 January 2011 at 12:02am 10 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5339 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 8 of 49 17 January 2011 at 12:37am | IP Logged | ||
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And they wonder why there are wars in the world...
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