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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5386 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes  Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 17 of 49 18 January 2011 at 5:25pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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There is a simple antidote against nonsense -- critical thinking.
Truth be told, we live in a world of nonsense. Spreading nonsense is what humans do, most of the time without realizing it. We are constantly bombarded with nonsense and it's up to each individual to sort out the stupid from the smart. This has always been the case, but the internet era has made this particularly crucial, which is why I make a point of teaching my kids critical thinking. Frankly, to take one person's advice without analyzing it critically, and following it for 6 months is not the smartest decision. If you fall prey to that, you're bound to be a victim again and no one else can help you but yourself. Edited by Arekkusu on 18 January 2011 at 5:40pm 14 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6680 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 18 of 49 18 January 2011 at 6:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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As far as I know, Keith is into the Automatic Learning Growth school. This school claims that you should learn languages following a natural approach:
1-Listening. 2-Speaking 3-Reading 4-Writing and grammar. They claim that you need around 800 hours of listening before trying to speak, read and so on. If you want to be a native-like speaker in your target language, they think you need to follow that procedure. They apply it in Thai, Japanese and Chinese. Their listening input is "experiential input". Keith has adapted this using visuals ,TV/DVD input, and more hours: 2,000 hours. Is this nonsense? NO. I think it makes a lot of sense. If he starts talking with native speakers after this 2,000 hours, reading, writing and grammar in this order, he can achieve a native level. This is simply another way. Where's the "nonsense" or the "massive" problem? Edited by slucido on 18 January 2011 at 6:55pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6680 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 19 of 49 18 January 2011 at 6:51pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Be careful with this critical thinking stuff. I have seen a lot of "critical thinkers" whose critical thinking consist of thinking like them. Edited by slucido on 18 January 2011 at 6:58pm 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5674 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 20 of 49 18 January 2011 at 8:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
ALG is certainly getting a lot of publicity on their idea of an extended silent period. However, if you digg into various thai language forums you will see quite mixed opinions on its success. I remember reading messages by former ALG students saying that, although speaking was forbidden, the widely praised star pupils were talking as much as possible outside the classroom, and in some cases taking conversational lessons to compensate for the output restrictions at ALG. Of course, I am not saying the method does not work. Merely, that the success of somebody following a given approach may not always lie in that approach. Edited by Splog on 18 January 2011 at 8:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5386 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 21 of 49 18 January 2011 at 8:10pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
"Be careful with this critical thinking stuff"? Really?!? Are you saying that critical thinking is not always advisable? Are you suggesting that believing what others tell you without proof is a better alternative to questioning and figuring out the truth for yourself? Discrediting ideas on the grounds that they aren't yours, as you imply, has nothing to do with critical thinking. If anything, thinking critically should allow you to see that even your own ideas need to be discarded. Edited by Arekkusu on 18 January 2011 at 8:18pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6680 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 22 of 49 18 January 2011 at 8:25pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I agree, but this isn't new. It happens with any method.
I agree, but as I said before, it happens with any method I read about. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6680 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 23 of 49 18 January 2011 at 8:34pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I see too many people asking for proofs, a lot of proofs, but then they use what they "feel" it works for them. Suddenly they do not need this huge amount of proofs. Too many times this "questioning and figuring out the truth for yourself" hides wishful thinking and rationalization.
This is good theory, but I would like to see it in real life. Edited by slucido on 18 January 2011 at 8:35pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6555 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 24 of 49 19 January 2011 at 2:38am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Me too. Care to begin? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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