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| katilica Bilingual Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5474 days ago 70 posts - 109 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: French, Catalan | Message 9 of 24 07 February 2010 at 11:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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Try these links for pronounciation:
ielanguages' phonetics page phonétique the French starter's phonetic page Good luck with your studies. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Tiberius Diglot Groupie Moldova lawinmoldova.blogspoRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6291 days ago 70 posts - 85 votes Studies: Romanian, Russian*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 10 of 24 08 February 2010 at 8:39am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks so much, katilica!!! :)
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| lorsque Groupie Canada Joined 5442 days ago 64 posts - 67 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 11 of 24 12 February 2010 at 2:54am | IP Logged | ||
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French in Action is a great series.
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| Tiberius Diglot Groupie Moldova lawinmoldova.blogspoRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6291 days ago 70 posts - 85 votes Studies: Romanian, Russian*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 12 of 24 12 February 2010 at 10:14am | IP Logged | ||
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lorsqueThanks for a tip.
Which one is better BTW? I see that there's a video course and an audio one. Is it enough to have an audio course with the textbook or maybe the video one gives some better results? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| katilica Bilingual Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5474 days ago 70 posts - 109 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: French, Catalan | Message 13 of 24 12 February 2010 at 4:44pm | IP Logged | ||
They say you should use the text in order for it to be effective but it is expensive. Just try watching the videos for free at learner.org 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Tiberius Diglot Groupie Moldova lawinmoldova.blogspoRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6291 days ago 70 posts - 85 votes Studies: Romanian, Russian*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 14 of 24 15 February 2010 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've finally completed all major reading and pronounciation rules. Not a big deal but
at least now I can read anything I want and that is really important. After 3 months of studying almost with one textbook I am going to add now some Assimil and French in Action alternating them with each other and continuing to study with my main coursebook. I tried Assimil at the very beginning but that time it didn't work at all. And today I worked through first 3-4 lessons and what an ease it was. I think after this I can understand my preference for some fundamental textbooks/courses over the ones like Assimil. The latter one looked too simplistic (even superficial I would dare to say). No, no, I like the idea and I DO use Assimil and similar courses. But only as an addition (as well as audiobooks with bilingual texts that look as a more advanced aproach). Here's the explanation of why I feel that way: I remember the time when I didn't know anything about Internet and just started learning English, I used to listen to "Queen" (and still love their music and Freddie Mercury's voice). And as I was also a football (also called "soccer" by North Americans) fan I tried to learn the words of "We are the Champions" (if there are any European football fans they will understand why:) ). I didn't have the words of the song. And I didn't know where to find them. So, what I was trying to do is just to listen and repeat the words sung by Mercury himself. Soon, I learned it. And sometimes even sang at the stadium. A very similar approach to what is often discussed here on the forum in relation with languages learning, right? BUT. In a couple of years I found a book with the lyrics of all the Queen's songs. Guess which one was the first that I looked for? Well......I found out that what I had heard and learned was waaaaay far from what was originally sung. I think you've got the idea of what I was going to tell. It may turn out pretty much the same problem with Assimil at the beginning. I listened to the record. I repeated the best I could. And of course tried to look at the text. However, it was of a very little help as I didn't know how to read it correctly. And (after everything I told you about songs) there's no guarantee that I repeated exactly the same words and phrases that were pronounced by the speakers. In my basic textbook I found a much more boring and tedious approach. Every lesson there were only a couple of new sounds and reading rules introduced. But there're all explained in details. And now, after 3 months I finally completed them all and this time the same Assimil lessons seem so easy. Now I can follow the speakers on the record much better as I can read the text on my own and know exactly what they are saying. And knowing that, the shadowing (which I think is VERY IMPORTANT) is much more effective (at least I feel that way). I also tried to listen to the audioversion of "Le Petit Prince" (having a bilingual text at hand). Well, it's probably a bit early. But comparing to the same exercise more than a week ago at least I could follow the text read by the actor. BTW, thanks again to katilica for her links. One of them contains a very good demonstration of the pronounciation which I still "fight" with. The nasal sounds make me feel stupid. I hardly feel (and hear) any difference between some of them. Particulalry between nasal "e" (like in vin[I/], interessant[I/],etc.) and nasal "u" (like in un). I still almost don't feel that difference even when listening to the easiest Assimil lessons (with a very slow tempo). So, the task for the nearest future is to gain the basics of NORMAL french pronounciation. I think it will be easer now taking into consideration all the things I said before and that now I also add Assimil and French in Action to my main textbook (even though it has a lot of listening exercices) and the BBC course I once mentioned. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| lorsque Groupie Canada Joined 5442 days ago 64 posts - 67 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 15 of 24 18 February 2010 at 2:36am | IP Logged | ||
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That is awesome. I highly recommend that you go to youtube and watch les syllabes. This is an awesome video. This teaches you how to differentiate between every sound in French.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agqf-AZQfpk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSvih-7QmdY I hope this helps. This will train the ears. I will go through these videos once every week until I nail down the differences and nuances. This is now my new subgoal. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Tiberius Diglot Groupie Moldova lawinmoldova.blogspoRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6291 days ago 70 posts - 85 votes Studies: Romanian, Russian*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 16 of 24 18 February 2010 at 10:08am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for the links,lorsque
It's interesting and helpful. What I'm thinking to do now, is trying to work on these sounds when listening to audiobooks. But not simply listening the text. I'm going to read it in advance and to underline in the text all the syllables with the sounds that represent particular difficulties for me. And after that when listening and following the text after the speaker to put particular attention to the pronounciation of the words where these sounds appear. I find it easier for me trying to imitate the whole word rather than a separate syllable. And when listening to different speakers reading the text with the natural speed (and respectively, with different voices, tones, timbre) I think this can help better apprehend and learn these sounds. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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