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| Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5570 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian | Message 33 of 54 16 January 2010 at 6:47am | IP Logged | ||
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The main reason I'm working with Heisig's Hanzi book is so I can follow along the differences between the Japanese kanji and their Chinese counterparts as I learn the kanji. If I were only learning Chinese I'm not sure I would use this method. I already knew a few hundred hanzi before opening the book, so my main focus has been on Japanese. I would have to agree by this point that the method (or at least Heisig's manner of approaching it) is significantly better suited to Japanese than Chinese.
I also have Reading and Writing Chinese in both Simplified and Traditional versions, which I agree are pretty decent resources, though I have yet to go through them systematically. Maybe that's something I can work on when I'm done Heisig. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5570 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian | Message 34 of 54 16 January 2010 at 10:57am | IP Logged | ||
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January 15
Mandarin: • did Lesson 29 of Remembering Simplified Hanzi (24 characters), practiced on Skritter • listened to an episode of ChinesePod (Talking about others: 别的，其他的，另外的 Japanese: • did Lesson 30 of Remembering the Kanji (39 characters), practiced on Skritter and on Reviewing the Kanji 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5570 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian | Message 35 of 54 16 January 2010 at 5:53pm | IP Logged | ||
The more I think about it, the more I believe you are right regarding the Heisig method and the hanzi. There are a number of reason his method is better suited to the kanji, in general and for me personally: • I am willing to tolerate not learning the most frequent kanji first because Heisig will be teaching me all the general use kanji; with Chinese there is no "general use" set to memorize, so it's best to try tackling the most frequent characters first. • Heisig's method completely ignores the phonetic components of hanzi, which I think is an essential tool to learning them. • My Chinese is advanced enough that I'd rather be trying to understand the Chinese characters as Chinese words instead of using English keywords to "translate" them. • Keeping both Chinese and Japanese keywords in my head can be confusing, especially when the same keyword is used for different characters in each language. If I just stick to using keywords for Japanese, I will avoid this problem. • The Reading & Writing Chinese books are indeed excellent resources. Revisiting them after your suggestion, I now see how valuable they can be if you already know how to build mnemonic stories. They seem to be geared more toward my level of Chinese, they include examples of the characters in compound words, they show the Pīnyīn pronunciation, and they take character frequency into account. I also like how they explain the real etymological meanings of the radicals. Though Heisig's primitives usually work better in stories, it's nice to know what they originally meant. So, in accordance with your advice, I will be switching to Reading & Writing Chinese for the hanzi, though continuing with the Heisig method for the kanji. Who knows, I might even learn some traditional characters too, since I have the traditional character version of Reading & Writing Chinese. Also, I will be changing my study schedule on February 1 to resume studying my European languages. I will study two languages per day. Language 1 will alternate between Chinese and Japanese, language 2 will alternate between German, French and Spanish. On my Japanese days I will aim for two Heisig lessons per day, since I will be finishing up the book and the last several lessons are really short. After Heisig, it's on to Assimil's Japanese with Ease! I completed the first 10 lessons a couple months ago to try it out and loved it. I can't wait to dive back in. Edited by Levi on 16 January 2010 at 6:18pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5570 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian | Message 36 of 54 17 January 2010 at 8:31am | IP Logged | ||
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January 16
Mandarin: • reviewed some characters from Reading & Writing Chinese on Skritter Japanese: • reviewed characters on Skritter and on Reviewing the Kanji I got called into work early today, so I did not have time to learn new characters. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5570 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian | Message 37 of 54 18 January 2010 at 4:23am | IP Logged | ||
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I need to not be afraid of failure. I will fail a lot before I start succeeding. To get better, I need to keep failing. I may not have understood you today, even though I asked you several times to repeat what you said, but there will be a day when I will understand perfectly. The character may have slipped my mind for now, but there will be a day when it flows effortlessly from my hand.
"Sucking is always the first step on the path to greatness." -Khatzumoto Edited by Levi on 18 January 2010 at 4:27am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5570 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian | Message 38 of 54 18 January 2010 at 8:41am | IP Logged | ||
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January 17
Speaking of failure, today was a failure of a study day. I managed to get some Skritter practice in, but that's it. This is not the kind of failure I'm aiming for. Edited by Levi on 18 January 2010 at 8:42am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5570 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian | Message 39 of 54 19 January 2010 at 6:57am | IP Logged | ||
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January 18
A much more productive day. I worked extra hard to make up for yesterday. I even managed to slip in some German, even though I was not required to study it today. Mandarin: • listened to an episode of ChinesePod (Office Lunch Options) • added 200 characters from Reading & Writing Chinese to Skritter (most were characters I already knew) Japanese: • did Lesson 31 in Remembering the Kanji (59 characters), practiced on Skritter and Reviewing the Kanji German: • listened to Deutsche Welle radio Edited by Levi on 19 January 2010 at 7:44am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5570 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian | Message 40 of 54 20 January 2010 at 7:51am | IP Logged | ||
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January 19
Mandarin: • added another 150 characters from Reading & Writing Chinese to Skritter (again, mostly characters I already knew) Japanese: • did Lesson 32 in Remembering the Kanji (36 characters), practiced on Skritter and Reviewing the Kanji 1 person has voted this message useful |
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