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| deniz2 Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5153 days ago 53 posts - 62 votes  | Message 1 of 11 07 December 2010 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Could you please compare Arabic with French and/or German in difficulty only as grammar and nothing else (vocabulary, writing, dialect)? Edited by Fasulye on 07 December 2010 at 1:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| rad Newbie United States Joined 5615 days ago 18 posts - 23 votes Speaks: French | Message 2 of 11 07 December 2010 at 2:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
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For an English speaker, french is hard, German is harder, Arabic is the hardest.
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| Emiliana Diglot Groupie Germany Joined 5115 days ago 81 posts - 98 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Arabic (classical) | Message 3 of 11 07 December 2010 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Considering only grammar I am not sure if Arabic is harder than German: There are only 2 genders (in German 3) and in most cases it is obvious which word has whch gender, there are "only" 3 cases and again it is mostly quite straigtforward which one to use. Verb conjugations are sometimes irregular but I guess that for German learners thinks like splitting up verbs might also be tricky and of course there are irregularities, too. So I think that Arabic grammer might be easier than German grammar. I study Arabic is grammer is really the thing that concerns me less than everything else (and there is a lot "else"...).
Anyway, I am German, maybe I have the wrong point of view of the whole thing. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| deniz2 Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5153 days ago 53 posts - 62 votes | Message 4 of 11 07 December 2010 at 8:32pm | IP Logged | |||||
Thanks. There are 4 cases in German. In Turkish there is no gender but 5 cases. The cases are extremely easy because there is only one rule for each one (excluding the vowel harmony). It means it is the most simplified, it can’t be easier. But in German the cases are hard. I believe the details are more important than the number of the cases but possibly I guess you are right. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| theace Newbie Finland Joined 5090 days ago 3 posts - 5 votes Speaks: Arabic (Sudanese)* | Message 5 of 11 20 December 2010 at 12:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
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hi , i am an arab , i speak English "obviously" and i would say that arabic grammar is the
hardest ever , if you want to speak perfect arabic, i am a poet and native , and i have studied all the "old" classic poetry for years , and also the holly quraan , i cant even start to imagine how hard it could be for you guys .but keep it up its a very poetic language .and i am proud i am mastering it . note: real arabic is something only super educated people knows :D we use a simplified version in daily life . yes i am learning dutch ,finnish and German finnish is the hardest i have seen :( 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| deniz2 Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5153 days ago 53 posts - 62 votes | Message 6 of 11 20 December 2010 at 1:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
Sorry but what you say is nonsense. The English people don’t understand the old English either. I don’t understand the old Turkish poetry either. One has to translate it to Turkish. It is just like a foreign language. You almost understand no words. It has no relationship with the grammar. I have just looked at the 31 lessons in http://www.madinaharabic.com/. The grammar doesn’t seem to me as hard as it is said to be. There are 3 tenses in Arabic relating to time and only the past tense is conjugated. Though I don’t believe Turkish is hard we have got 5 tenses and 2 derivatives of each making totally 3X5=15 conjugated tenses. In Arabic there are 3 cases and it is easy for each one. In German there are 4 cases with many details for each. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Andrew C Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom naturalarabic.com Joined 5191 days ago 205 posts - 350 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written) | Message 7 of 11 20 December 2010 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
I agree - this is nonsense. The grammar of Modern Standard Arabic (and Classical Arabic) is easy. Two tenses - present and past. Three cases - nominative, genitive, accusative. It is totally logical, with no lists of "exceptions" to remember. Some Arabs claim their dialects are simple and have no grammar. This is nonsense. What they mean is that the dialects don't have the case endings present in MSA/classical Arabic. If anything, I would say the grammar of dialects is harder than that of MSA. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| staf250 Pentaglot Senior Member Belgium emmerick.be Joined 5698 days ago 352 posts - 414 votes Speaks: French, Dutch*, Italian, English, German Studies: Arabic (Written) | Message 8 of 11 20 December 2010 at 5:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
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This is in anyway an interesting thread!
@ The Ace, I'm very pleased you are studying Dutch :) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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