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Italian dialects VERY similar to Spanish
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Nature
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18 December 2010 at 11:15am | IP Logged

Fabrizio wrote:

Nature wrote:

Hm I've got another example for you all, this time from my dad's side!

In standard Italian, a pencil is "una matita" and in the Abruzzese dialect, it's
pronounced, "un lapz" which is very similar to the Spanish word for pencil, "un lápiz"

"Lapis" is a currently used word for "matita" in standard Italian too ;)

Seriously? Never knew that :o Haha, I'm going to ask my parents for several more dialect words and see if they're related.
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OCCASVS
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19 December 2010 at 11:05am | IP Logged

Random review wrote:

I read that the "personal a" that you guys discussed above

Andy E wrote:

a used with human direct object: ho visto a Giuseppe instead of ho visto Giuseppe

is also used in some Southern Italian dialects, but the rest of this fascinating thread is all new to me.

I confirm this. This is a pattern we also tend to use in Italian. The verb vedé and sendí and many others require an indirect object in Southern Italian.
Examples:
Ií stogghe a vvide a tte = I'm looking at you
Avime a sendí a ccudde? = should we listen to him?

While other verbs require a direct object.
Example: u spàreche = I shoot him

P.S. Non-accented E is a schwa. And this is the Bari (city) dialect of Southern Italian (not Italian ;) )

Edited by OCCASVS on 19 December 2010 at 11:08am
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William Camden
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27 December 2010 at 3:10pm | IP Logged

It is possible that this characteristic of picking out an animate object with a preposition is inherited from Vulgar Latin. I don't know if it is - Vulgar Latin, not being a written form, is poorly attested - but it would explain shared traits in the Romance languages.
It is noticeable that the now-extinct Mediterranean lingua franca did the same - mi mirato per ti ("I saw you").

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