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| MixedUpCody Senior Member United States Joined 5257 days ago 144 posts - 280 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin | Message 9 of 27 11 December 2010 at 5:38am | IP Logged | ||
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It sounds like you have a great thing going in your school district. I grow up in Arizona, which is usually ranked 50th in education, so, not surprisingly, we had a horrible foreign language setup. Nothing until 9th grade, and then Spanish or French for up to 4 years with no AP classes. I'm glad to hear there is someplace in the U.S. where education is less of a joke though.
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| hypersport Senior Member United States Joined 5882 days ago 216 posts - 307 votes Studies: Spanish | Message 10 of 27 11 December 2010 at 5:56am | IP Logged | ||
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The original poster doesn't have a real grasp on what fluency is.
Ellasevia nailed it. Bad grammar, bad pronunciation, limited vocabulary and horrible attempts at actually speaking are the norm. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 6051 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 11 of 27 11 December 2010 at 8:57am | IP Logged | ||
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No. Just no.
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| ruskivyetr Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5482 days ago 769 posts - 962 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Russian, Polish, Modern Hebrew | Message 12 of 27 11 December 2010 at 6:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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Spanish is not mandatory (you can opt out of taking a language all together), but most Swedish students start
taking English in the 3rd grade. From what I have observed, most Swedish teens can converse quite well in English. And to answer the question of how the novela is "legit" or not: Most of the material they watch the Spanish teachers stream from Mexico (I am pretty sure). I am not saying everyone is completely fluent (if you had read my whole paragraph you would have seen that I said MANY students were at a level of BASIC fluency). It is sad that other languages taught here (like French and German, the latter which is not even offered until high school) do not have such a strong department. But just because one American school system can't teach a language properly, doesn't mean that all school systems can't. Our school system focuses mostly on teaching conversation, and having students participate in class through speaking. My school actually does emphasize the importance of Spanish (not so much French) as Europeans do English. A Spanish exchange student (who also happens to be a good friend), speaks English very well, and this is his first time in an English speaking country. He always complains about how there is too much Spanish class, and how there is always so much work. He also says he doesn't like it because they never speak English, and he'd prefer to be speaking English instead of his native language. So perhaps my school just emphasizes it more? But it still saddens me that most of the American educational system can't really teach the language properly. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5131 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 13 of 27 11 December 2010 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | ||
Actually, going back and looking at your post, you said "most" and "it's almost like everyone can..." I'm quite sure that that's not the case. R. == 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| MixedUpCody Senior Member United States Joined 5257 days ago 144 posts - 280 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin | Message 14 of 27 11 December 2010 at 7:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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This thread has jumped from obnoxiously passive-aggressive to hostile. I think we can all agree that the U.S. school system is a joke, but I don't see any benefit in attacking a member of our community who is just trying to say something good.
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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5131 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 15 of 27 11 December 2010 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | ||
I honestly don't see anybody being attacked, hostile or otherwise. Is a point being made that what he said could, in fact, not be true? Sure. Is everything not in agreement with the original post now considered an attack? R. == 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| MixedUpCody Senior Member United States Joined 5257 days ago 144 posts - 280 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin | Message 16 of 27 11 December 2010 at 8:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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The original poster doesn't have a real grasp on what fluency is.
Maybe hostile isn't the right word, it just seems purposefully incendiary. But, you're right, disagreement doesn't equal hostility. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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