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| ruskivyetr Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5482 days ago 769 posts - 962 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Russian, Polish, Modern Hebrew | Message 1 of 23 30 July 2010 at 9:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I understand that in spoken Swedish, jag, mig, dig, det, and de, are pronounced as ja, mej, dej, dej, and dom (there
are also others such as dem and honom that are pronounced differently in spoken form, but you get the picture). Let us say that someone is reading a text aloud. Would that person pronounce these pronouns with their spoken form, or would the be pronounced phonetically? By the way I have heard jag pronounced with a g sound at the end, and I was wondering if maybe I was just mishearing the way speakers pronounce it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Tyr Senior Member Sweden Joined 5783 days ago 316 posts - 384 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish | Message 2 of 23 30 July 2010 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Yeah, people would just read out ja allowed I believe. Certainly in Swedish class thats what everyone does.
But then jag as ja, och as aw, etc... isn't a strict hard and fast rule that I can tell. Just...convention that people do it. Its more often with och/aw but I'm sure I've heard the occasional jag too. Edited by Tyr on 30 July 2010 at 10:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 3 of 23 31 July 2010 at 1:45am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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'jag' and 'och' are pronounced as the written form in slow/clear speech (but more often 'ja' and 'å'), while mig/dig/sig/det/de/dem are almost never pronounced as written. However, not everyone say mej/dej/sej (I don't, and neither does anyone who grew up in my area with a fairly regional accent - we say mi/di/si, cf. English me, Dee, see). De/dem are almost always "dom". 'Honom' is always pronounced like that, but quite a few (me included) use the simple form 'han'.
Generally, d between vowels turns into a flap, så du/dig(dej)/dom(de/dem/) can also be phonetically reduced to ru/ri(rej)/rom: Ska du ha en kopp kaffe? (Do you want a cup of coffee?) Ska'ru ha'n kopp kaffe? Har du bråttom? (Are you in a hurry?) Ha'ru bråttom? Han har en hund. (He has a dog.) Han 'ar en hund. Såg du dem? (Did you see them?) (Såg du dom?)/Såg du rom?/Så ru dom?/Så ru rom? More examples: till->ti, med->me, bara->ba Bara så (att) du vet det! (Now you know! (an idiomatic expression)) Ba'så'ru vet'de! Hope it helps. Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 31 July 2010 at 1:47am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ruskivyetr Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5482 days ago 769 posts - 962 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Russian, Polish, Modern Hebrew | Message 4 of 23 31 July 2010 at 4:56am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Is the whole thing with dig=di, etc. a regional thing, Or is it personal preference? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6143 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 5 of 23 31 July 2010 at 6:28am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'd never heard of this. How common is it?
What about these? How common are they? I knew about med, but not about the other two... Tack! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 6 of 23 31 July 2010 at 1:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Regional accent. I'm from Gotland, but many here speak a kind of Gotlandic version of "rikssvenska". Some have parents who have moved here from the mainland (and the kids adopt their accent) and some doesn't want to sound Gotlandic and change accent... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 7 of 23 31 July 2010 at 1:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Anybody, I mean anybody (unless they're some kind of offical person, politician, news reader and so on) reduce a weak d to a flap r, but I think it was more common in the Stockholm area some decades ago. The basic question "Hur är det?" (How are you? (literal: How is it?)) often sounds "Hur e' re?".
Super common. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Tyr Senior Member Sweden Joined 5783 days ago 316 posts - 384 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish | Message 8 of 23 31 July 2010 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Interesting. Never noticed that. It could explain a big part of how I have such trouble understanding Swedes. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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