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| Gon-no-suke Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 6435 days ago 156 posts - 191 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, Japanese, EnglishC2 Studies: Korean, Malay, Swahili | Message 17 of 23 28 October 2010 at 5:44am | IP Logged | ||
I was taught writing dej, mej in the late seventies and I still do. As the the spelling is close the spoken language it reads better for me. A similar thing is seen when writing loan words. I find it interesting that most people would write tejp and not tape, but fewer write mejl rather than mail. I prefer e-post though, as I'm now officially middle-aged! Edited by Gon-no-suke on 28 October 2010 at 5:44am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 18 of 23 29 October 2010 at 12:19am | IP Logged | ||
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I can't remember having seen it in any book we used in school, nor being suggested by any of our teachers. I started school as a seven year old in August 1980.
One reason might be that I'm from Gotland were nobody (with a fairly standard Gotlandic accent) even pronounced the pronouns as mej, dej, sej (but rather mi, di, si). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6583 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 19 of 23 29 October 2010 at 4:17am | IP Logged | ||
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I write 'tejp', 'mejl', 'jos' and 'skajpa', though I, too, prefer 'e-post'.
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| RVFA Diglot Newbie Sweden Joined 5183 days ago 13 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, Hungarian | Message 20 of 23 27 November 2010 at 2:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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In response to the first question. The others have already answered the question, but I want to add we do sometimes follow the written phonetics when we want to emphasize the word in question: 'ja vill inte ha kaffe' (no emphasis) vs. 'Jag vill inte ha kaffe' (emphasis on 'jag'). In southern Sweden we pronounce 'mig' and 'dig' like 'mai' and 'dai' resp. (a sound similar to the 'i' in the English word 'fight') Much depends on the dialect and the word in question. In some dialects, for example in southern Sweden, consonants are not strongly pronounced and words tend to float together more (abit like French vs. Italian), with the effect that vowels clearly dominate the spoken language. Even simple words like 'är' (att vara = to be), is pronounced quite differently, in southern Sweden we just say 'e': Hur e de ? (written: hur är det ?). Other dialects say it "correctly" (i.e. follow the written style). It is not a problem which dialect you learn, everyone understands eachother anyway. Edited by RVFA on 27 November 2010 at 2:36pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Gusutafu Senior Member Sweden Joined 5522 days ago 655 posts - 1039 votes Speaks: Swedish* | Message 21 of 23 27 November 2010 at 6:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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One strange phenomenon I see becoming more and more common among younsters is to mistakenly write 'dem' instead of 'de'. For example, some people write 'dem är inte hemma', which is equivalent to writing 'them are not at home'. I suppose they think it is the written form of 'dom', not realizing that 'dom' corresponds to both 'de' and 'dem'.
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| jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 22 of 23 27 November 2010 at 8:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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Written form, maybe... I haven't thought of that. They must have seen "de", right?
I've always seen it as (just) an example of hypercorrection. The Swedish kids (and a lot of adults...) happen to misinterpret the usage of "dem" and then use it wrongly (since they must never write "dom"). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Impiegato Triglot Senior Member Sweden bsntranslation. Joined 5434 days ago 100 posts - 145 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, Italian Studies: Spanish, French, Russian | Message 23 of 23 27 November 2010 at 10:25pm | IP Logged | ||
I would say that we rather pronounce the words "jag", "mig", "dig", "det" and "de" in the following way: jag = ['ja] mig = ['mej] dig = ['dej] det = ['de] de = ['dom] 1 person has voted this message useful |
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