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hobbitofny
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Message 9 of 19

18 August 2010 at 12:18pm | IP Logged

It is not same as the Pronounce It Perfect in Russian. Sorry...
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Message 10 of 19

18 August 2010 at 4:38pm | IP Logged

michaelmichael wrote:

The main youtube video on the net for the french R http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5SuUTKuQNM&feature=channel does not talk about tongue placement. She basically says the french R is kind of like spitting.

Wow. If that's the best video out there on R, I've got a very easy job ahead of myself. Now, there just has to be something better out there, that's just ridiculous. She's making a video to explain the pronunciation of a sound that she claims she doesn't really pronounce. What nonsense.

michaelmichael wrote:

So far my only real source of tongue placement that I have seen is french in action. I put the tip of my tongue at my lower teeth, I arch the back upwards, i blow from my lungs.

Some information which has been helpful for me are
1) dentalizing T,N,L,D. you need to be told this because the sound is quite similar at the alveolar ridge.
2) aspirating consonants
3) i learned only recently that french vowels are usually short, i would hold the sound
4) the vowel trapezoid. Getting comfortable with contrasting the frontal rounded vowels from the back was huge for me.
5) getting rid of English Diphthong, like the W, and the Y sounds.
6) more of a trivia thing, but it is kind of cool to know that french doesn't have the j in jump or the ch in church.
7) stress
8) Liaison,Elision, Informal Reductions

If you're making a video, you might like this site
http://www.ielanguages.com/frenchphonetics.html
They have some good pairs for demonstrating phonetic contrast.
By the way, if/when you make this video, be sure to inform us (particularly me :D). I know there are a lot of people who could really use it (me)

I've started drafting up a presentation and so far, I've covered or plan to cover all of the topics you mention. Now, I tend to start projects and not finish them, so I can't guarantee anything, but if I do finish it, I hope it gives students like you access to the information you are looking for.
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20 August 2010 at 5:11pm | IP Logged

How about this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsErE00ItH0&feature=related

Edited by Arekkusu on 20 August 2010 at 5:12pm
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20 August 2010 at 5:44pm | IP Logged

Arekkusu wrote:

How about this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsErE00ItH0&feature=related

What a find. She has a lot more than just the R

edit: watching them now

Edited by michaelmichael on 20 August 2010 at 5:45pm
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20 August 2010 at 6:03pm | IP Logged

I looked around, and I agree that there isn't much in terms of videos that explain sounds, rather than just say "listen and repeat".

This lady does the best job I've seen on Youtube of explaining the actual production of the sounds. For instance, she knows that "eu" is a rounded version of "é" and same with vs. [y].

Still, there's lots more that could be said... But then again, perhaps too much info is not always a good thing.
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20 August 2010 at 7:02pm | IP Logged

Arekkusu wrote:

Still, there's lots more that could be said... But then again, perhaps too much info is not always a good thing.

I hope that if you do it, you go all out, loaded up with all the info are brains can handle .

I don't know Einsteins quote verbatim, but it went along something like this
Things should be made as simple as possible.... BUT NO SIMPLER :).

edit: she also offers private lessons on skype. She is about double the price of most french tutors in Quebec, but i guess few people have a degree in french phonetics.

Edited by michaelmichael on 20 August 2010 at 7:15pm
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20 August 2010 at 8:25pm | IP Logged

I like the Barrons' PIP series - There is also FSI French Phonology - I found it to be really useful.

As to phonetics - a really good, if dry, technical introduction is J.D. O'Connor, Phonetics.
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20 August 2010 at 8:39pm | IP Logged

michaelmichael wrote:

edit: she also offers private lessons on skype. She is about double the price of most french tutors in Quebec, but i guess few people have a degree in french phonetics.

A degree in French phonetics? I didn't know there was such a thing... I have a degree in Linguistics, and Phonetics was but a small part of that. You could cover French phonetics in a single class.

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