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hrhenry
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 Message 9 of 17
25 November 2010 at 7:52pm | IP Logged 
aodhanc wrote:
Catalan is a language for has-beens.


You joined well over 1100 days ago and you choose THIS to be your first post?

Bravo.

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 Message 10 of 17
25 November 2010 at 8:42pm | IP Logged 
I'm looking at your list of languages and it's very impressive.
Except for catalan and galician. I don't understand why someone would go to the effort of
learning a language that's on the verge of extinction.
Especially as you are in the US. Even people people in Spain don't speak those languages.
I've just returned from a holiday in Barcelona and I didn't once hear anyone conversing in
Catalan.
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 Message 11 of 17
25 November 2010 at 8:45pm | IP Logged 
aodhanc wrote:
I don't understand why someone would go to the effort of learning a language


I don't understand why someone would choose their first two posts to act like a complete knob.


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hrhenry
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 Message 12 of 17
25 November 2010 at 9:08pm | IP Logged 
aodhanc wrote:
I don't understand why someone would go to the effort of
learning a language that's on the verge of extinction.

To answer that question, I would suggest actually traveling to where the language is spoken. You'd quickly realize it's not on "the verge of extinction", rather its use is growing (and in the case of Catalan, more prevalent than Spanish).

EDIT -

Oops. I just realized you said you were in Barcelona. Try getting off La Rambla. And listen more carefully. If you listened to natives speaking, you most certainly heard Catalan while you were there, but didn't realize it.

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Edited by hrhenry on 25 November 2010 at 9:12pm
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 Message 13 of 17
28 November 2010 at 3:15pm | IP Logged 
I can back up what hrhenry has said. I was recently in Barcelona, and I certainly heard
lots of Catalan. Of course if one spends his time only in the tourist areas, it only
makes sense that Spanish would be more commonly heard, because it is an international
language. However; I didn't have to go very far to hear Catalan. I didn't have to
try to hear it either. Throughout Catalonia outside of Barcelona, and also in
Andorra, I heard lots of Catalan - definitely more frequently than Spanish.

I should add, that I am neutral on this issue. I don't care if Catalan is a dialect or a
language (Although I do believe it is a language, I would feel no loss if the contrary
was proven), nor do I care if it is growing or used among only the Catalan nationalists.
I am only stating what I have observed, and as such, it was obvious to me that Catalan is definitely not a language for has-beens.
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 Message 14 of 17
28 November 2010 at 4:14pm | IP Logged 
I'm surprised that you guys took a troll that seriously. Anybody who has ever been to Barcelona as a tourist pretty much starts his day with the Catalan station announcements in the subway and will hear lots of Catalan all day long.

BTW, Iversen wrote about this special character in his Multiconfused Log.

Iversen wrote:
Inspired by another thread about the 'flying dot' that separates l•l (= long l) from ll (= ly) I wanted to know whether it actually was Pompeu Fabra who introduced this sign. I didn't get a clear answer, but he was certainly the leading force behind the introduction of the modern Catalan orthography. I found a very interesting account of the battles in the early 20th century, written by the venerable Antoni M. Badia i Margarit, and at least it told me that he proposed to use it instead of an apostrophe for instance with unstressed personal pronouns (type "s'ha"), so by inference... I also discovered that there now even has been formed a Facebook group in defence of this troublesome sign which isn't found on non-Catalan keyboards, which makes it highly vulnerable.

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hrhenry
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 Message 15 of 17
28 November 2010 at 4:42pm | IP Logged 
Of course he was trolling.

I thought it was humorous that he waited years to post anything, then trolls in a thread about "l·l". There are SO many opportunities for trolling in this forum... Catalan struck me as funny.

That aside, I completely believe him when he says he (believes that he) didn't hear any Catalan while in Barcelona. I once had a co-worker who went on vacation to Barcelona (and had never been anywhere in Spain before, for that matter). When she returned, her comment regarding Catalan was "Their Spanish is different there. I couldn't understand it." :-)

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 Message 16 of 17
29 November 2010 at 12:46am | IP Logged 
aodhanc wrote:
I'm looking at your list of languages and it's very impressive.
Except for catalan and galician. I don't understand why someone would go to the effort of
learning a language that's on the verge of extinction.


A lot of reasons, such as heritage, saving a culture, or just a purely linguistic interest.


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