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sebngwa3
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 Message 9 of 11
07 December 2010 at 1:07am | IP Logged 
Here is a Korean Japanese learning site: http://www.japanteacher.co.kr/
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furrykef
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 Message 10 of 11
08 December 2010 at 12:28pm | IP Logged 
Lucky Charms wrote:
The rest is just ear training.

While technically true, it's a lot more work than one might expect, in my opinion. I've been marking pitch accent on my flash cards for a couple of years now (though I don't mark my answers wrong if I say a word with wrong accent) and I still cannot always hear the accents correctly even when I know where the accents go. I have audio for probably over 90% of my Japanese flash cards, so I've had a lot of listening practice...


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Arekkusu
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 Message 11 of 11
08 December 2010 at 4:36pm | IP Logged 
furrykef wrote:
Lucky Charms wrote:
The rest is just ear training.

While technically true, it's a lot more work than one might expect, in my opinion. I've been marking pitch accent on my flash cards for a couple of years now (though I don't mark my answers wrong if I say a word with wrong accent) and I still cannot always hear the accents correctly even when I know where the accents go. I have audio for probably over 90% of my Japanese flash cards, so I've had a lot of listening practice...

Are you getting enough oral practice?

I've been finding that listening to natives (from dramas and real life, mostly) and copying them while paying attention to pitch has been working for me and it's allowed me to become pretty good at picking up the right pitch, I think. Sometimes it's even second nature, and repeating an entire sentence is enough to give me the pitch of all individual words.

There are definitely lots of words whose pitch I'm not sure about, but when I speak, I need to make a decision and follow one of the possible pitch patterns. Doing so, I make assumptions that are effectively the same as highlighting words in my mind. Because of these assumptions, when I hear a native speaker use the word in a reply, for instance, the right pitch becomes much easier to remember. If I felt the way I said it, and I then feel the way the native speaker said it (when I repeat and copy them), I can instantly feel the difference. This allows me to internalize the patterns and make them feel progressively more natural and automatic. Sometimes, I'll even use words I'm not sure about on purpose, just to elicit natives to produce the word for me.



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