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| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6155 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 65 of 98 08 September 2009 at 9:51am | IP Logged | ||
That's pretty incredible. The most I managed was about 30 hours in total with L'Étranger, and slightly less for Le Petit Prince. Unless we hear otherwise, you are the current L-R champion. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Adrean TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member France adrean83.wordpress.c Joined 6172 days ago 348 posts - 411 votes Speaks: FrenchC1 | Message 66 of 98 10 September 2009 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yes maybe I am the current L-R world champion until someone comes along and dethrones me. Fat chance.
OK flying along with studies. It's the usual L-R, movies, Anki......but good things come to an end. My roll will finish as I've a short holiday in Krakow in a few days time. I'm going to quickly gather some materials and learn some Polish basics. There is an added bonus because the people I work with are predominately Polish. I'll let you know how it goes. Ok just a little advice for L-Ring. I may have mentioned it before, but if you are attempting the method and you are at a reasonable level in your target language, it is no longer important to put an emphasis on reading the book in you own language before L-Ring. If you've read the book before then great, but reading once and reading again leads to boredom and loss of time. I learned the hard way and used to read everything in English first. I havent done it for quite some time though. It's definetely true that each author has his own style and pattern of language that you become accustomed to as you move futher along with the book. For example Proust with In Search Of Lost Time could not be further apart then Dumas with Comte de Monte Cristo in terms of language and style. I'm halfway through Monte Cristo and the pattern of the language and the vocab has become sooo familiar. Interesting! I have already planned my next book for L-R and that is L'etranger. Thanks for Daraghm for pointing me in the right direction. I watched yet another film of Chabarol's and it's a fairly recent one, 2006. There is a certain style to French modern films I've noticed. I've also noticed however whenever a new French film makes it, people almost always point out that 'its such a French film!' or 'it's yet another rewarding but slow paced French film'. Most critics in the popular public sphere lazily use these kinds of comments on a regular basis and these cliches have somehow crept their way into the public psyche. Judge for yourselves I say! First and foremost it's a film, but don't criticise it on the basis of the country it was made in. I myself have picked up on some patterns in modern French film but through my own experience my opinion differs to the critics. I believe French films are not slow paced and each scene and image is always filled and leading onto the next scene and if they don't that's not necessarily a bad thing. I spoke with someone once who enjoyed Amelie but said it was a little too slow. If Amelie is a slow film you can shoot me!! It's clear to me now that whatever language I choose to learn in the future it will have to have a rich history and future in cinema. Though it's my opinion that overall French cinema is the best in the world. Why? Becuase of it's long and consistant film making which continues to this day. I don't say that lightly because I've seen the modern and classic American movies. I've seen the Japanese classics (and they are great), I've seen some German and Russian classics (great as well), I've seen many British films. All in all French cinema blows them away. I can safetly pick up most films from the French mediatheque and it will at least be an enjoyable and worthwhile time spent. On the contrary I have to be very careful when picking up an American movie. I find them painfully boring and predictable and condescending most of the time. If you are interested to learn French by film and don't know where to start, don't hesistate to ask me. Edited by Adrean on 12 September 2009 at 2:05am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| JCI Newbie Australia Joined 5602 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 67 of 98 17 September 2009 at 11:00am | IP Logged | ||
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Hi Adrean,
I have a question regarding L-R. Have you noticed much variation between the french-english translations between the different books you have L-R so far? I'm quite new to this, I went through Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde and could follow along OK. I have since moved onto Le Joueur and find it extremely hard to follow along as it seems like there are substantial differences between the french version and what might be a direct translation of the English text. Do you have any reccomendations for books you have found to be translated quite closely to the English version which might be easier for a beginner like myself to get something out of? (before moving onto the harder ones of course) Thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Adrean TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member France adrean83.wordpress.c Joined 6172 days ago 348 posts - 411 votes Speaks: FrenchC1 | Message 68 of 98 18 September 2009 at 6:11pm | IP Logged | ||
Most books I have Listen-Read have been French books. I did think that Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde was quite a good audio book. It even had sound effects. I think that most likely you are using the same website as me for audiobooks which is Litterature Audio. I think a very good choice for a faithful translation is Jane Eyre. I could really follow this book and read it effortlessly. A bad choice is Jane Austen Persuasion. It's just an awful translation. As for me I've just returned from a short holiday in Poland. I did some very minimal Polish study before going and I must say it was difficult. I'm very happy now to return to French. I've decided to take part in the Book Club in the French section forum. It looks like they'll be reading a Verne novel. My full attention is on completing Comte De Monte Cristo, but this will be a nice distraction. But what Verne novel to choose? I'm also to begin another course at the very end of this month which I'm really excited about. If anything it will allow me to put my skills to the test with other people. The course is a long one and takes place over the next four months with two classes of two hours per week. Watched another brilliant film again picked out at random. I recommend to all of you un coeur en hiver if you can find the will or time! Now it's back to study. I have lots of L-R and Anki to catch up on, but fortunately I have a few days off. Edited by Adrean on 18 September 2009 at 6:14pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Adrean TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member France adrean83.wordpress.c Joined 6172 days ago 348 posts - 411 votes Speaks: FrenchC1 | Message 69 of 98 20 September 2009 at 11:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've really knuckled down and done some serious study the past couple of days.
I'm so tired of Le Comte de Monte Cristo that the only thing for me to do is to finish as quickly as possible so I can move onto something else. I've done about 4 and a half hours of listening the past two days. I've just under a third of the book to go and I hope (touch wood) that I will finish the book in a week or two. Picked up a nice book at random at the library for something to flick through when I'm bored. It's called French:A Coulourful Guide to Idiomatic Usage. I'm most interested in looking at common verbs which sometimes have a different usage. Just to quote an example briefly. "Arriver. 'To arrive', 'to come', of course, in the literal sense. But when quelque chose arrive a quelqu'un, the meaning is 'to happen'". It goes on to give examples. It's really a very handy book. There is a section on des faux amis, franglais, unexpected gender nouns etc.etc.etc. I haven't looked much at podcasts previously because I thought they may be poorly made or not directed at my level. Learn French By Podcast is really good as my initial reaction. It's a short dialogue at the beginning of the podcast played twice and they go on to break it down. They have two native speakers and there is some really nice vocabulary, idioms and colloquialisms that are introduced. Each podcast is short and sweet at 15 minutes. I think the podcast is directed at the intermediate-advanced learner. So far one hour of study. I watched Team America in dubbed French and about an hour and a half of Anki. Altogether 8 and a half hours of study in two days. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Adrean TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member France adrean83.wordpress.c Joined 6172 days ago 348 posts - 411 votes Speaks: FrenchC1 | Message 70 of 98 24 September 2009 at 10:16pm | IP Logged | ||
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Just saw a French major release at the cinema. Coco avant Chanel was a nice way to spend an hour and a half. It won't shake your foundations or be left imprinted on your brain forever but afterall it's just a biopic. Still you could do much worse. I learned a little along the way about the designer whom I knew nothing of before hand.
Coasting along with Comte de Monte Cristo. I have only 14 hours to go before the end. Still what's left is still larger then your average novel. The book is really starting to sizzle up as all the plot lines are coming together. I was completely lost as to what was happening in the middle. I've caught up though. Those of you brave enough to tackle this novel - Courage! The most interesting thing I've taken up the past couple of days must be my attempt to learn and memorize La Marseillaise(this version is French with English subs). Don't you think it's a great sounding anthem? Instantly recognizable. However I had no idea the lyrics were so bloodthirsty. Lots of interesting and pointless vocab to aquire. All this and some Anki. Aux Armes Citoyens!!! Edited by Adrean on 24 September 2009 at 10:17pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Adrean TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member France adrean83.wordpress.c Joined 6172 days ago 348 posts - 411 votes Speaks: FrenchC1 | Message 71 of 98 28 September 2009 at 10:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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9 more hours...Only 9 more hourse till I'm done with La Comte de Monte Cristo.
My strange original plan was to finish the 52 hours in 52 days. Well it's officially day 100 today. So much for meeting a deadline. Well I did have several holidays and an extended apathy towards finishing the book in the middle. But I'm almost there and it has payed off. Yes the reward is that everything is coming together and it's really quite interesting to read at the moment. Much respect to the lady who recorded this audiobook. If you'd like to give it a go here it is. Good luck to you. Anyone else a little frustrated with Librivox? It seems that even though a book is read and proof read somehow they fail to update the book to the list of audiobooks. Les Miserables is a perfect example. It looks like it's been ready forever but still unavailable. Litterature Audio is the far better site for French audiobooks in my opinion. I pointed out last time that I was learning La Marseillaise but I have since found a much better version with subs. Enjoy! No films this week but soldiering away with Anki. I do find this sort of study a much more frustrating exercise then Listening-Reading. Lots of frustration when I forget words. My heart rate goes up and I become tempremental when I'm using flash card programs like Anki. As long as its no longer then 25 minutes it's bearable but anymore and I can't take it. Edited by Adrean on 28 September 2009 at 10:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Adrean TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member France adrean83.wordpress.c Joined 6172 days ago 348 posts - 411 votes Speaks: FrenchC1 | Message 72 of 98 30 September 2009 at 12:22am | IP Logged | ||
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Only 7 hours left before I finish La Comte de Monte Cristo.
I have the short term goal to finish this book by Thursday. I'll let you know how it goes. I will only post next when I've finished. That's a promise. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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