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| Nocturne Diglot Groupie Italy Joined 6154 days ago 67 posts - 70 votes  Speaks: Italian*, EnglishB2 Studies: Korean, Swedish | Message 1 of 9 25 December 2009 at 9:31pm | IP Logged |
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Hello! So, I’m finally starting my journal for Team TAC 2010.
A brief assessment – the languages I will be working on are: Korean Current level: I can generally hold a simple conversation (live or through text chat) about general topics with a sympathetic speaker, and I’ve just recently started to read native-but-simplified texts such as children’s tales with the aid of a dictionary. I’d describe myself as intermediate. Yearly goals: My main goal at the end of the year is to be able to read non-academical, everyday texts like magazines and websites well enough to read extensively and enjoyably, in order to progressively substitute SRSing with native input, and to get better at conversation. Materials: Right now my main studying methods are SRSing (both for vocabulary and entire sentences) and intensive reading. I often like watching historical dramas in Korean, and I try to get conversation practice through internet text chat as often as I can. Modern Hebrew: Current level: I am comfortable with most basic points of Hebrew grammar and structure, but my exposition to the actual language is practically nonexistent as of now and more “difficult” verb forms and binyanim still give me headaches. I’d describe myself as an upper beginner. Yearly goals: As with Korean, my goal is to be able to start enjoyable extensive reading and hopefully get a decent conversational ability, although I’m kind of dubious about the latter point considering how hard it is to find Hebrew speakers to practice with. Still, Hebrew’s relative ease when compared to Korean should prove to be a major advantage. Materials: Again, mostly SRSing through sentence and vocabulary mining. I’m currently working through “Conversational Hebrew” by Z. Lyttleton / T. Wang and “Modern Hebrew – an essential grammar” by Lewis Glinert at the same time, and hoping to move on to simple native texts in a few months. I also listen to Israeli online radio stations every day for some time, while studying or doing other things. Edited by Nocturne on 30 December 2009 at 5:00pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Nocturne Diglot Groupie Italy Joined 6154 days ago 67 posts - 70 votes Speaks: Italian*, EnglishB2 Studies: Korean, Swedish | Message 2 of 9 02 January 2010 at 4:27am | IP Logged |
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First official day of the TAC 2010!
I was feeling fairly worn out, so I didn't study as much as I expected, but I did do my Anki reviews for both Korean and Hebrew, and I read the story "박혁거세" from this site. I was already familiar with the character and the story, so the content was not entirely new - but even though I didn't have much trouble with the grammar and structures, vocabulary was quite a bit more problematic and I had to look for many words. I'm planning on reviewing it tomorrow and isolating interesting vocabulary and expressions to add for SRSing. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Nocturne Diglot Groupie Italy Joined 6154 days ago 67 posts - 70 votes Speaks: Italian*, EnglishB2 Studies: Korean, Swedish | Message 3 of 9 03 January 2010 at 12:48am | IP Logged |
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Today was a lot more productive.
After doing my Anki reviews, I went back to my story about 박혁거세 and read it again - much more easily this time around. After that, I isolated a few interesting sentences which I then added to my SRS. Then I went on to work on Hebrew a bit, and studied some vocabulary and sentences from “Modern Hebrew – an essential grammar”. I'm really enjoying this book: it's very thorough in its explanations, while also being a veritable goldmine of example sentences, most of which are positively entertaining and (at least judging from the English translations) not at all stiff-sounding. I've decided I will be writing some of the sentences I work with within the language log, just like several other TAC members: I feel it's a good idea, as it may be useful to other learners and also a good chance to verify whether I get the meaning right. The literal-and-not-particularly-refined translation for the Korean sentences was made by me; the translation for the Hebrew sentences was taken from the book. --- 여섯 마을의 촌장들이 각각 자기 아들을 데리고 알천에 있는 언덕에 모였습니다. The elders of the five villages gathered at the hill that is in Alch’ŏn, each bringing his own son. 백성들이 그토록 교만해지고 방자해지는 것은 우리에게 임금님이 계시지 않기 때문입니다. The reason why the people become so arrogant and impudent is that we don’t have a king. 촌장들은 이 아기를 하늘에서 보내 준 임금님이라고 믿었습니다. The village elders believed this child was the sovereign sent to them from the heavens. 그런데 혁거세를 임금님으로 모시기로 한 바로 그 날, 사량 마을의 알영이라는 우물가에서 이상한 일이 일어났습니다. However, right on the day when Hyŏkkŏse was to be made king, something strange happened at the well called Aryŏng in Saryang village. 눈부시게 예쁜 아기였는데, 입술만 닭의 부리처럼 뾰족했습니다. She was a dazzlingly beautiful child, only her lips were pointed like a hen’s beak. 닭의 부리 모양이었던 입술이 없어지고 완전히 사람의 모습으로 변했습니다. Her previously beak-shaped lips disappeared, and changed to a completely human shape. 그 여자 아기야말로 하늘이 정해 주신 혁거세왕의 배필이 틀림없습니다. There is no doubt, that very girl is King Hyŏkkŏse’s bride that the heavens chose for him. 박혁거세와 알영이 열세 살 되던 해에 임금님과 왕비가 되었고, 나라 이름은 “아침 햇살이 제일 먼저 닿는 훌륭한 땅”이라는 뜻인 “서라벌”로 정했습니다. In the year Pak Hyŏkkose and Aryŏng became thirteen years old, they became king and queen, and as the name of the country they chose “Sŏrabŏl”, meaning “the noble land that the sun’s rays reach first in the morning”. --- אתה לא מצאת שירותים? אבל יש פה המון שירותים! You didn’t find a toilet? But there are loads of toilets here! הילדים גמרו כמעט את כל הריבה. The kids have finished nearly all the jelly! הלו, מה קורה פה? Hey, what’s happening here? בוא לבקר פעם. Come to visit some time. יש הודעה בשביל מישהו בשם גילה. There’s a message for someone called Gila. הנה עגלה ברוך השם... אוי ואבוי, היא שבורה. Here’s a trolley, thank heavens… oh no, it’s broken. Edited by Nocturne on 03 January 2010 at 12:49am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Nocturne Diglot Groupie Italy Joined 6154 days ago 67 posts - 70 votes Speaks: Italian*, EnglishB2 Studies: Korean, Swedish | Message 4 of 9 07 January 2010 at 12:29am | IP Logged |
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It's been an intense couple of days, but I did manage to study a bit during this time.
Because of my good experience with children's literature in Korean, I tried to find some in Hebrew too, and I ran into this very interesting site, which has tons of free Hebrew material for children. Maybe I should be a little ashamed to admit this, but the stories are actually lots of fun, and my comprehension is much, much better than I had expected, which is an added motivational boost. So I've been working on intensive reading with both Hebrew and Korean, with some Israeli internet radio added in for kicks. I'm hoping to be able to watch a few more episodes of the Korean drama 선덕여왕 (Queen Sŏndŏk) in the next few days, but I may not have enough free time to do that. I guess we'll see. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5655 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 5 of 9 07 January 2010 at 3:19am | IP Logged |
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Queen Seon Duk is a great series, but the second half has some pacing issues (and while the last episodes are awesome, it does seem a bit like fanfiction.) Good luck with your studies.
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| Thuan Triglot Senior Member GermanyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6936 days ago 133 posts - 156 votes Speaks: Vietnamese, German*, English Studies: French, Japanese, Romanian, Swedish, Mandarin | Message 6 of 9 10 January 2010 at 11:25am | IP Logged |
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Hi,
fellow member from Team C just joined the party. Just started my log today. It looks as if I'm the only real newbie in Korean (still struggling with the Hangul). Right now I can only dream about reading children's books. Will probably come back to you in a few month's time to ask you about more details. What's your level of Japanese? Okay, that's it for today. Let's 頑張って, have fun and enjoy a productive and successful 2010. Yours, Tom Vo 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Nocturne Diglot Groupie Italy Joined 6154 days ago 67 posts - 70 votes Speaks: Italian*, EnglishB2 Studies: Korean, Swedish | Message 7 of 9 19 January 2010 at 10:50pm | IP Logged |
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With the university exams coming up I haven't had the time to do any proper studying for either Korean or Hebrew, beyond keeping up with SRS reviews; however, starting from tomorrow I'll be doing an internship helping translate subtitles for a Korean Film Festival in Florence, which may be an interesting way to get some language practice. We'll see how it goes.
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| Nocturne Diglot Groupie Italy Joined 6154 days ago 67 posts - 70 votes Speaks: Italian*, EnglishB2 Studies: Korean, Swedish | Message 8 of 9 11 February 2010 at 1:40am | IP Logged |
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So I'm FINALLY done with my exams for a while. They've kept me really busy for the last 20 days or so, and I haven't really been able to log any of my progress, although I have more or less succeeded in keeping up with my SRS reviews.
So I did start my internship, and I was given a film called "The Scam" (original title: 작전) to translate before the end of February. I am only supposed to translate the already existing English subtitles to Italian, so I'm not expecting too much trouble, and the good thing is that I was also given the original Korean script, which I'm planning on comparing with the English translation and see if I can learn a thing or two. As for Hebrew, I've kept up with reading as much as I could, and I intend on reading much more now that I'm not so busy anymore. I have also been able to procure a copy of "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" in Hebrew, and I'm planning on reading it in tandem with the Italian version soon: given its pretty simple style, it should be a rather soft introduction to "real books", although I'm not quite sure I'm good enough yet - but we'll see how it goes. More updates coming in the next few days. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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