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| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5928 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 65 of 223 21 March 2009 at 3:50am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm sick, I have a bad cold, and so I'm a little behind schedule for studying languages today. I have been reading more about Limburgish, and I'm frustrated that I have again run into a linguistic debate on whether Limburgish is a separate and distinct language or a dialect of Dutch. I understand that Limburgish speakers, like speakers of Catalan or Serbian and many other languages besides, want their culture and form of communication recognized as valid; but I would rather learn the languages, not get bogged down with the unending language versus dialect conflict. I also found out that Limburgish may not be the only European language to have different tones, apparently Norwegian, Swedish and a few other European languages might also be tonal (depending on who you believe). Limburgish is very interesting, but mostly what is happening is I'm focusing a little more on Dutch along with the other three languages I'm studying. This ends my most recent case of wanderlust (for now anyway).
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| Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5902 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes Speaks: French*, Dutch, German | Message 66 of 223 21 March 2009 at 12:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't agree about the tones in Limburgs. Yes, it's sound very similar with norwegian and Swedish: this is *exactly* how it sounded for me when i've heard it for the first time, although not now after I've heard it many times. I think Indo-European languages are not tonal, but some have a more variable pitch intonation up and down, therefore the people who don't speak those languages think it's tonal, but they're wrong.
It's better you focus on dutch as Limburgs: in my opinion, to learn the standard language is much better and more important. dialects are little bit fun after, or if you want to find the connectiosn at the next language such as Dutch-Limburgs-German, for example. I hope you feel better soon 
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| Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5902 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes Speaks: French*, Dutch, German | Message 67 of 223 21 March 2009 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I wrote prof A. a post about Limburgs. Therefore we can discover if I'm absolutely correct or not. I hope that he will reply it.
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| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5928 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 68 of 223 21 March 2009 at 10:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
Thank you, I do feel a bit better today. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5928 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 69 of 223 22 March 2009 at 9:21am | IP Logged | |||||
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I've been listening to some Finnish and trying focus a little bit on pronunciation and increasing my vocabulary, since not surprisingly I know more Afrikaans and Spanish words. First, I'll discuss pronunciation; when I wrote about vowel harmony I explained that Finnish has 8 vowels, but there are also 16 diphthongs, and these make learning pronunciation very interesting indeed. The diphthongs are: ai, ei, oi, ui yi, äi, öi, au, eu, iu, ou, äy, öy, ie, uo, yö, and in Finnish every letter is pronounced, which is not difficult, but remebering that the first syllable of a word is always emphasized might be a challenge, since my English intonation tends to interfere more often than I'd like.
I'm trying to find something I can use for scriptorium in Spanish, though I still know only the present tense. It's been a while since I posted any new words for Afrikaans so that will likely be part of my next post. Mick 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5902 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes Speaks: French*, Dutch, German | Message 70 of 223 22 March 2009 at 11:40am | IP Logged | |||||
I'm happy that you feel a bit better. Variable pitch intonation is my description: it's not official terminology at all, but I try to describe the sound of the intonation in comparison with Dutch and German. I meaned: it's sound always like it's more variety of pitch, more up and down intonation as Dutch or German, which have a completely different intonation. The first tiem I've heard it, I didn't know that it was like dutch and German, because I didn't immediately understand and because of the different intonation (therfore I thought it was like swedish). Now I can undertsnad Limburgs, and can see that it's the link German-Dutch. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5928 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 71 of 223 24 March 2009 at 6:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I must be very tired today, because I just accidently posted something that was
actually a previous post that I was rereading to refresh my memory of the Afrikaans words I've already listed. I have a week off from school and I hope to make a lot of progress studying my languages. One thing I've been doing is making what I call study notebooks. What I do is get a spiral-bound notebook and write things about a particular language in it; usually some basic greetings, wordlists, and, especially for Finnish, some facts about grammar along with forming my own sentences so I can apply grammatical concepts. Also the dialogues that I have previously posted about will usually be written down in the notebook. Afrikaans has two notebooks, the second one is for scriptorium work.
to the few things I've read about Swedish and Norwegian, these languages might have pitch accents and not tones, though I don't know exactly what the difference is. Now, as promised, a few Afrikaans words nogtans - anyway (I'm surprised that I haven't come across this one earlier) ingryp - intervene (The context I found this word in seems to have a different meaning) nastreef - emulate, or pursue. opnuut - afresh bemagtiging - empowerment I'm going to the library now to see if there are any interesting books in or about various languages there, but I will be surprised if I find anything written in languages other than English or Spanish. Mick Edited by mick33 on 08 November 2017 at 7:38am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5928 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 72 of 223 27 March 2009 at 9:32am | IP Logged | |||||
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I think I'm starting to understand the basics of Finnish consonant gradation. It appears that spelling and pronounciation are very closely linked in Finnish, there are double vowels and double consonants and when double letters occur in Finnish words the sound of the letter is lenghtened, but when a noun is inflected in certain case endings the double consonant (most often k,p, or t) is changed and sometimes this even applies to words with a single k, p, or t such as "pöytä" which can become "pöydästä" (table-from) or "pöydältä" (table-from or -off). I'm spending a lot of time on Finnish grammmar because there's quite a bit to learn and I want to learn these things at the beginning rather than later. I'll need to post something about Spanish and Afrikaans next time.
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