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Tyr
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Message 33 of 46

08 October 2010 at 4:26pm | IP Logged

jtdotto wrote:

My perspective is incredibly biased, but I think Korean is gaining the chic factor Japanese had in the 80s and 90s
because of Kpop and dramas - especially in other Asian countries.

I think you may be biased there yeah. In Asia I hear things are different but over here I've certainly not seen any love of kpop and korean drama...and I'm quite the fan of asian (well...oriental anyway) stuff.
Even the big love of Korean movies from the beginning of the decade seems to have died off sadly.

The big chic factor for me with Korean is the communist kitsch factor of North Korea. It'd be pretty interesting to know Korean to get a better insight into their media.

Edited by Tyr on 08 October 2010 at 4:28pm
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John Smith
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Message 34 of 46

13 October 2010 at 2:52pm | IP Logged

What's going to happen to the native English speakers in East Asia??? Singapore... Papua New Guinea... Also, India which is in Asia is expected to have a population of TWO BILLION by 2100. I'm sure India's population alone will ensure English's role as a lingua franca in Asia for centuries to come.

lichtrausch wrote:

By mid-century, Mandarin will be the lingua franca of East Asia, but English will remain
dominant in most of the rest of the world. You heard it here first.

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noriyuki_nomura
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Message 35 of 46

15 October 2010 at 1:20pm | IP Logged

Judging from the increasing number of immigrants from China in Singapore, I think that Chinese will become more and more important in Singapore. As for Papua New Guinea, from what I understand, only a small handful of people there speak English well enough to be considered as 'native speakers' in the country.

John Smith wrote:

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lichtrausch
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Message 36 of 46

16 October 2010 at 7:24pm | IP Logged

John Smith wrote:

What's going to happen to the native English speakers in East Asia??? Singapore...
Papua New Guinea... Also, India which is in Asia is expected to have a population of
TWO BILLION by 2100. I'm sure India's population alone will ensure English's role as a
lingua franca in Asia for centuries to come.

lichtrausch wrote:

By mid-century, Mandarin will be the lingua franca of East Asia,
but English will remain
dominant in most of the rest of the world. You heard it here first.

Papua New Guinea is in Oceania and India is in South Asia, both places where I said
English would remain dominant.

As for Singapore, their English level will certainly remain higher than in the rest of
East Asia, but all signs point to Mandarin gradually becoming dominant there as well.
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BiaHuda
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Message 37 of 46

16 October 2010 at 8:49pm | IP Logged

lichtrausch wrote:

John Smith wrote:

What's going to happen to the native English speakers in East Asia??? Singapore...
Papua New Guinea... Also, India which is in Asia is expected to have a population of
TWO BILLION by 2100. I'm sure India's population alone will ensure English's role as a
lingua franca in Asia for centuries to come.

lichtrausch wrote:

By mid-century, Mandarin will be the lingua franca of East Asia,
but English will remain
dominant in most of the rest of the world. You heard it here first.

lichtrausch

There are alot of reasons that this will "NEVER" happen. At least without a war on a grand scale which would perhaps, reduce the earths population by 5 billion.

This is however a language forum and I risk being banned if I express tơ many veiws. In this patch of the world China isn't popular. People in SE ASia are more interested in America. Japan. Korea, England, Malaysia even Dubai etc. I can't travel more than a few blocks without seeing a school promoting English. I don't think there is one in TPHCM that sells the idea of learning Chinese. I won't post on this thread anymore if this becomes a political discussion! I enjoy languages and if you look at my profile you will see that I am also leaning Cantonese.

Apologies for the rant but I had to say my bit.
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lichtrausch
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Message 38 of 46

16 October 2010 at 9:40pm | IP Logged

BiaHuda wrote:

lichtrausch

There are alot of reasons that this will "NEVER" happen. At least without a war on a
grand scale which would perhaps, reduce the earths population by 5 billion.

This is however a language forum and I risk being banned if I express tơ many veiws. In
this patch of the world China isn't popular. People in SE ASia are more interested in
America. Japan. Korea, England, Malaysia even Dubai etc. I can't travel more than a few
blocks without seeing a school promoting English. I don't think there is one in TPHCM
that sells the idea of learning Chinese. I won't post on this thread anymore if this
becomes a political discussion! I enjoy languages and if you look at my profile you
will see that I am also leaning Cantonese.

Apologies for the rant but I had to say my bit.

I've had this discussion already so I refer you to the archives if you're interested.
If we're still around on this forum in mid-century, we can compare results.
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The Real CZ
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Message 39 of 46

16 October 2010 at 11:29pm | IP Logged

Tyr wrote:

jtdotto wrote:

My perspective is incredibly biased, but I think Korean is gaining the chic factor Japanese had in the 80s and 90s
because of Kpop and dramas - especially in other Asian countries.

Tell that to the Kpop groups that are topping the charts in Southeast Asian countries and the Korean girl groups entering the top 5 in the Oricon chart in Japan. Plenty of Korean dramas still get sent overseas. No, it's not Winter Sonata type of popularity for the dramas, but the love for the dramas is being replaced by the idol groups from Korea.

lichtrausch wrote:

That is a gross oversimplification. Your average Japanese or Korean person does not
hate the Chinese. They may be wary about eating Chinese-made Gyoza and they may think
that most Chinese people have bad manners, but that's a long way from hatred. Millions
of Japanese and Koreans have started learning Mandarin over the past decade to take
advantage of the opportunities that China offers.

There is a case to be made that Chinese people hate the Japanese, but even that would
be an oversimplification. And despite the hatred that does exist, millions of Chinese
people, especially in Northeastern China, have learned Japanese in order to take
advantage of economic opportunity.

recap:
Japanese and Koreans hate Chinese? Rarely.
Chinese hate Japanese? Sometimes.
All of these groups willing to learn another's language for economic opportunities? YES

And isn't it a gross oversimplification by you? Koreans hate the Japanese a lot, and in turn, the Japanese hate Koreans. Goes all around between the three. Does every single member of each ethnicity hate people of the other two? No. Are there extreme prejudices against the other two? Yes.
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lichtrausch
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Message 40 of 46

17 October 2010 at 1:06am | IP Logged

The Real CZ wrote:

And isn't it a gross oversimplification by you? Koreans hate the Japanese a lot, and in
turn, the Japanese hate Koreans. Goes all around between the three. Does every single
member of each ethnicity hate people of the other two? No. Are there extreme prejudices
against the other two? Yes.

Statements like "Koreans hate the Japanese a lot" and "Japanese hate Koreans" make me
think you read an article about a couple dozen right wing Koreans protesting about
Japanese textbooks or whatever they are protesting about these days and then you formed
your entire opinion about Korean-Japanese relations based on it.

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