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| zamie Groupie Australia Joined 5254 days ago 83 posts - 126 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Modern Hebrew | Message 1 of 12 13 October 2010 at 5:52am | IP Logged | |||||
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Hello, I would like to know whether the subjunctive is used in this koranic verse. It's
verse number 9:30. I don't know whether the arabic language has a special classification for such words other than the subjunctive, but i think you know what i'm talking about. I'm specifically referring to the translation of may in the English translation. Thanks. وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ عُزَيْرٌ ابْنُ اللَّهِ وَقَالَتِ النَّصَارَى الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ اللَّهِ ذَٰلِكَ قَوْلُهُم بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ يُضَاهِئُونَ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِن قَبْلُ قَاتَلَهُمُ اللَّهُ أَنَّىٰ يُؤْفَكُونَ English translation: 9:30. And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Paskwc Pentaglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5678 days ago 450 posts - 624 votes Speaks: Hindi, Urdu*, Arabic (Levantine), French, English Studies: Persian, Spanish | Message 2 of 12 13 October 2010 at 6:36am | IP Logged | |||||
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In the future, it might be a wise idea to select verses that are not inflammatory.
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| zamie Groupie Australia Joined 5254 days ago 83 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Modern Hebrew | Message 3 of 12 13 October 2010 at 6:52am | IP Logged | |||||
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| Paskwc Pentaglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5678 days ago 450 posts - 624 votes Speaks: Hindi, Urdu*, Arabic (Levantine), French, English Studies: Persian, Spanish | Message 4 of 12 13 October 2010 at 7:30am | IP Logged | |||||
I'm sure it's an honest mistake, but using verses which libel and call for the destruction of specific faith groups and their adherents seems a bit risky. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| zamie Groupie Australia Joined 5254 days ago 83 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Modern Hebrew | Message 5 of 12 13 October 2010 at 7:40am | IP Logged | |||||
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I didn't choose this verse because of that meaning. I simply chose it, because many
translation of this verse use 'may' and the subjunctive. I want to know if a subjunctive verb is used in the actual Arabic. Edited by zamie on 13 October 2010 at 7:40am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5321 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 6 of 12 13 October 2010 at 8:53am | IP Logged | |||||
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You picked again a controversial verse out of context. Literally it only says "may God fight them". In most better Qur'an translations it's therefore not translated as to destroy, but to curse. E.g. Allah's curse be on them.
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| zamie Groupie Australia Joined 5254 days ago 83 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Modern Hebrew | Message 7 of 12 13 October 2010 at 9:00am | IP Logged | |||||
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Sorry ,but the two answers are drawing the wrong conclusions. I don't care for meaning or
historical context of the verse. I simply want to know, whether a subjunctive verb is used in the Arabic, as is done in that translation, and many others. I chose this verse because it is one of the 2(as far as i know) that appears to be written with a subjunctive verb form. Edit: thank you Doitsujin, for confirming that the literal meaning is 'may.' that is all that I wanted to know. Edited by zamie on 13 October 2010 at 9:02am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| aldous Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5243 days ago 73 posts - 174 votes Speaks: English*, French | Message 8 of 12 16 October 2010 at 5:24am | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't understand what you mean by "may", or what the significance of that would be. Do you mean a sort of 3rd-person imperative, like, "would that he would do that"?
Anyway, the OP's translation is H.M. Shakir's. I agree that "destroy" isn't the right translation of the verb. The translation "curse" appears in Yusuf Ali's version. But I think Pickthall is the most accurate, "fight". The verb in question is qātala, which simply means (at least in MSA) "to combat, to wage war". I don't understand why the translators render this as "may he..." Wouldn't it then be falyuqātilu? It looks to me like a plain perfect tense, as in "he fought them". Is there another sense being conveyed here with that form of the verb that I'm missing? Here is my translation of the verse; I invite comments so I can improve my Arabic. "And the Jews said Uzayr is the son of God, and the Christians said Christ is the son of God. That is the speech of their mouths resembling the speech of those who blasphemed before them. God combatted them. They've been led away." Edited by aldous on 16 October 2010 at 5:26am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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