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| anamsc Triglot Senior Member Andorra Joined 6207 days ago 296 posts - 382 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan Studies: Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Written), French | Message 1 of 32 02 July 2009 at 6:05am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm making this log for a couple reasons:
1. I really enjoy reading other people's logs, 2. Maybe this way I'll be able to stick with Turkish, 3. I just finished my 30th hour of Turkish listening, and most importantly 4. I realized the people around me are tired of hearing how many hours of Turkish I've listened to! So, for the remainder of this year, I want to study Turkish. I'm hoping that the fact that I'm planning on going to Turkey for Christmas will help my motivation. I read an article once that said that students exposed to a language for some large number of hours before studying it develop better accents and listening comprehension, so I've decided to listen to 50 hours of Turkish before I start studying. Like I said before, I'm on hour 30, and I want to finish my 50 by July 15th (I started around June 15th or so). I'm also reading up on Turkish linguistics. After that, I will start "phase 1", in which I will listen to another 50 hours and do Pimsleur (if I can figure out how to get it from my library) and Livemocha courses, which I hope to finish by the end of August. After that, if I'm still sticking to it, I'll start real studying, which will probably be with Teach Yourself or Colloquial (the courses that my library has) and FSI. I also want to work towards perfecting my Spanish. The problem is that I don't really know where to start. I think there are basically four levels: accent, grammar, listening comprehension, and vocabulary. I haven't really been able to evaluate myself on these levels, though, and I don't know how I can improve much. Most courses seem to be for beginners or intermediates, and I feel advanced :). I actually wanted to start with accent, but I have nobody to objectively evaluate it and tell me where I need improvement! Any suggestions would be very helpful. Until I figure myself out, though, I guess I'll just try to keep hearing and speaking it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Rmss Triglot Senior Member Spain spanish-only.coRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6568 days ago 234 posts - 248 votes 3 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, English, Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 2 of 32 02 July 2009 at 2:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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Good luck! Turkish is a great language and the Turkish people are very kind.
About the number of hours; some studies state that one should listen at least 800 hours before speaking. So 50 worn't cut it (especially if you're doing Pimsleur which isn't 1) real material 2) is boring and 3) contains 50% English). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| anamsc Triglot Senior Member Andorra Joined 6207 days ago 296 posts - 382 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan Studies: Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Written), French | Message 3 of 32 02 July 2009 at 4:18pm | IP Logged | ||
Thanks for the luck :)! I'm actually not doing Pimselur, I'm doing podcasts that have alot of speaking and real material. I'm going to do Pimsleur when I start studying, but I wouldn't count that as listening hours! Also, I'm familiar with those studies that say you need to listen to X hundred number of hours and you'll be native-like, but the one I'm thinking of (which I can't find now) said that they exposed just regular beginning French students to a certain number of hours, and they didn't claim they were native-like, so I'm pretty sure it was more like 50 (since it was just regular French students like in high school or college). By the way, could you cite any actual academic studies that cite those high figures? I've seen stuff around the forum, but I've never seen something that really convinced me (maybe because it seems all those people who say 800 hours seem to be selling something). Anyways, thanks for your input! Are you studying Turkish too? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| dizzycloud Triglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 6602 days ago 88 posts - 109 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Turkish | Message 4 of 32 04 July 2009 at 8:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hey anams,
Good luck on studying Turkish, I myself started properly with Turkish last week with Teach Yourself, as I've been flirting with it since September so time to get stuck in! If I were you, I would just start studying it now...there's no time like the future and whilst you're studying, you can concentrate on pronunciation (like me with listening to TY Turkish extracts repeatedly and copying!!). Anyway good luck with it, y con tus estudios del espanol también Dizzy 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| anamsc Triglot Senior Member Andorra Joined 6207 days ago 296 posts - 382 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan Studies: Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Written), French | Message 5 of 32 05 July 2009 at 2:02am | IP Logged | ||
Hi Dizzy,muchas gracias :). Yes, I'm going to start studying pretty soon anyways. I'm going to use Teach Yourself too, how do you like it? I used it for Catalan and I found it pretty good. One question...do you happen to know what version (year/author) you have? My library has 3 and I can't tell the difference! Anyways, thanks and let me know how your Turkish studies go! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Rmss Triglot Senior Member Spain spanish-only.coRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6568 days ago 234 posts - 248 votes 3 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, English, Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 6 of 32 05 July 2009 at 3:45am | IP Logged | ||
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The 800 hour thing is promoted by the Automatic Language Growth method (see more about it at ALG World). They teach several languages, yes, but their method is a proven one and applied massively by successful self-learners (or at least combined with other things, but the massive input BEFORE speaking is a general ingredient).
Yes, I'm studying Turkish and actually use two books for it; Teach Yourself Beginner's Turkish and Teach Yourself Turkish. Why books? Because I find the language different enough to feel a bit lost. However, after that I'll only work with native materials. P.S. If you want to find series in Turkish, simply google "dizi". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| anamsc Triglot Senior Member Andorra Joined 6207 days ago 296 posts - 382 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan Studies: Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Written), French | Message 7 of 32 05 July 2009 at 5:22am | IP Logged | ||
Hi Rmss, yes, I've seen that ALG stuff, I just am still a bit skeptical. I wasn't planning on talking at least until December anyways though! And it seems like TY Turkish is pretty popular, how is it working out for you? How much of it have you done? I think I'll probably use that (I think I've said that before) since it's all my library has. And thanks for the tip on finding Turkish series! :) Good luck with your Turkish studies. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Rmss Triglot Senior Member Spain spanish-only.coRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6568 days ago 234 posts - 248 votes 3 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, English, Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 8 of 32 05 July 2009 at 2:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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I use TY Beginner's Turkish, which is a bit more my cup of tea (I'm just too lazy to look up all the words in a dialogue ;-)). So far I've fone 3 chapters (which isn't much, but I've also been collecting sentences from the FSI course).
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