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Johannes
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Studies: Turkish

 
 Message 17 of 32
10 July 2009 at 12:07pm | IP Logged 
OnurKara wrote:
My native tongue is Turkish. I can help you with practicing.

Hi Onur,

thank you for your quick help! Yes, I've got everything you've written. I'm seriously interested in learning Turkish. Within one year I've finished the "Güle güle work and grammar book". But I'm just a beginner. For many years I didn't practice foreign languages. So I need practice and exercise. At the moment I'm to slow for chatting. My native language is German. At school I learned 9 years Latin, 3 years French and 7 years English. But this is 30 years ago. I live in Krefeld nearby Düsseldorf and Cologne.
You are my second contact in this forum. I find your posts worth reading and you being a good continuous teacher for me. I'm a "little bit" older than you, but for me that's not so important! Normally I learn alone and meet Fasuyle in our working group every week. I would like to ask you, if I'm not sure in any grammar problem. I would appreciate, dear Onur, if we could work together in this way. If you have any idea, how I can help you, please let me know!

Johannes
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anamsc
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Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan
Studies: Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Written), French

 
 Message 18 of 32
11 July 2009 at 2:57am | IP Logged 
pohaku wrote:
My goal is to be able to read Turkish, which I realize is not the same goal as yours or most
writers here. I just thought I'd share what I'm doing. I got Nobelist Orhan Pamuk's "My Name Is Red" in Turkish
and in the English translation, along with the Lewis "Turkish Grammar," a large Redhouse
Turkish/English/Turkish dictionary, and some other books, including Teach Yourself (mine is the old one
originally from the '50s) and some simpler Turkish/English parallel text stories that I found through Amazon. I
just dug in, after reviewing the grammar, and started working out the book sentence by sentence, making sure I
understood almost every grammatical point and vocabulary item as I went. It's excruciatingly slow, but I enjoy
that sort of puzzle-solving. Also, I get a boost every now and then because I know Persian (which contains many
Arabic words), and there are many Persian and Arabic words in Turkish. It will be a long time before I can read
fluently, maybe a year or two or more. However, if I keep it up, reading fluency will come. For reference, it has
taken about four years for a friend and me to become quite fluent in our reading of a fairly straightforward
Medieval Persian poetic text like Vis o Ramin by Gorgani.

By contrast, I greatly increased my German reading fluency in the last five months from less than mediocre to
what I'd call 2/3 fluent by reading Goethe's Roman Elegies, Hesse's Siddhartha, some stories by Hauff, and, now,
Narziss und Goldmund, again by Hesse. Now I'm not even looking up words, and the meaning generally flows
into my brain without much effort. I know I'm missing some words and fine points, but the feeling of
comprehension is exhilarating. I take this progress to mean that, for me, modern German is far, far easier than
Medieval Persian or Modern Turkish. However, the study habits I developed from the work with Persian seems to
be paying off with German, Turkish, and whatever else I work on.

Best of luck with your Turkish!


Hi pohaku,
That's an interesting way of studying. It does seem like it could be kind of fun--like you said, a sort of puzzle-
solving. Well, I've not studied German, but I'm pretty sure Turkish is going to be alot more difficult than Spanish
and Catalan, so I'm gearing up for the long haul. Anyways, I know that I learn much better by listening, so I'm
doing very little reading myself, but one day when I learn to speak well enough, maybe I'll do something similar
to you :). Good luck with your Turkish, and let me know how your progess goes!
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anamsc
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 Message 19 of 32
11 July 2009 at 3:00am | IP Logged 
OnurKara wrote:
My native tongue is Turkish. I can help you with practicing.


Hi OnurKara,
Thanks for the offer. For now I wouldn't say I'm really studying Turkish, but once I start, when I have any
questions, maybe you'll be able to help. And if you need help with English, just let me know!
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anamsc
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 Message 20 of 32
11 July 2009 at 5:47am | IP Logged 
So anyways, here's my status update for Turkish.

I've not done much this week since I've had a pretty busy week. But this weekend I'm going to continue listening
to lots of Turkish (I can recognize like 10 words now!) and reading about the grammar.

Also this week, I picked up TY Conversational Turkish and Beginner's Turkish. The conversation one looks pretty
good as a way to start, and I would be alot more excited about the beginner's one, but it doesn't have any audio.
I really really prefer to do a course mostly by listening, so I think I may have to suck it up and shell out the 20$
or so and actually buy it (although I think I would buy the complete course--that includes the beginner's
course, no?).

Anyways, this coming week what I want to do is listen to Turkish (I need 7 more hours to reach my goal, and it's
supposed to be by the 15th) and read about the grammar, and then starting June 16th, I'm going to keep on
listening and start the Turkish conversation course and the Turkish Livemocha course. Yay, I'm almost going to
start actually learning!

The bad news is, I'm not sure that I'll go to Turkey this December, in the end. That's disappointing, because
then I'll have less motivation to learn it, but we'll see what happens. For now, I'm very excited about it still.
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anamsc
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 Message 21 of 32
12 July 2009 at 1:03am | IP Logged 
Bueno, y ahora una actualización sobre mi español (ya que el log tiene "Spanish" en el nombre!). Por ahora, mis
estudios de español consistirán en tres aspectos.

     1. la incorporación del español a mi vida diaria
Voy a intentar reemplazar el inglés con el español en algunas facetas de mi vida. Por ejemplo, he empezado a
leer las noticias en español y he bajado un podcast en español de la BBC. Además, todas las películas que recibo
de Netflix o serán en español o las veré dobladas al español. Quiero engancharme a una serie, pero todavía no
he encontrado ninguna que realmente me guste, así que si alguien tiene una sugerencia... (mejor si es de risa y
de Colombia, México o Costa Rica). De hecho, hay dos series españolas que me gustan (La tira y Qué vida más
triste), pero el problema es que prefiero adquirir uno de los acentos latinoamericanos.

     2. la pronunciación
Ahora voy a subir una muestra de mi acento en español para que la gente pueda comentar sobre mi acento. De
hecho, hace media hora intenté subirla pero no funcionó, no sé por qué, así que voy a intentarlo más tarde.
Hice muchas grabaciones en Livemocha, pero el problema es que me parece que nadie me quiso corregir para
no herir mis sentimientos! También, voy a escuchar mucho español (sobre todo de Costa Rica, Colombia y
México, los países que tienen los acentos que quiero--realmente quiero hablar con un acento tico, pero es que
no se encuentra mucho de Costa Rica). Y voy a estudiar el libro de fonética y fonología hispánicas que tengo y
hacer los ejercicios. Pero como ven, todavía no he ideado ningún plan concreto.

     3. También voy a ayudar a mi madre a aprender español.
Creo que éste será el aspecto más divertido! Hace muchos años que mi mamá estudia español, pero todavía no
lo entiende y tiene problemas para hablarlo. Voy a hablar con ella en español a veces, y además ella ha bajado
algunos podcasts en español. Aparte de eso, no sé qué más hará.

Por cierto, si encuentran algún error en mi español, por favor, corríjanme
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anamsc
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 Message 22 of 32
12 July 2009 at 3:32am | IP Logged 
Acabo de subir una grabación de mi acento en español en el foro de Practical Self-Study Questions, así que si
quieren escuchar y evaluar mi acento, pues allí está!
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anamsc
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 Message 23 of 32
14 July 2009 at 2:32am | IP Logged 
En cuanto a mi acento en español, parece que necesito practicar más mi prosodia/entonación. Mi plan para
mejorar:
     -mañana voy a sacar el libro "Manual de entonación española" de Navarro Tomás; ya veré que hacer con ese
libro cuando vea cómo está estructurado
     -voy a escuchar español activamente al menos 30 minutos al día (al menos 15 min. de español tico)
     -no sé, a lo mejor intentaré hacer "shadowing"

Tengo un problema: decidí que quiero hablar con un acento costarricense, pero apenas existen recursos para
aprenderlo! No sé si cambiaré al acento colombiano (o uno de los acentos de Colombia) o que.

Anyways, I'm asking anybody out there for some advice:
     1. any ideas on how I could get access to enough audio in Costa Rican Spanish to learn it
     2. how does one go about improving prosody, intonation, etc.
     3. should I just suck it up and change to a more common accent as my goal?

Edited by anamsc on 14 July 2009 at 3:27am

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dizzycloud
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Speaks: English*, Spanish, French
Studies: Turkish

 
 Message 24 of 32
15 July 2009 at 8:01pm | IP Logged 
hola anamsc, qué tal todo? espero que bien. Unfortunately I don't know how you'd go about getting Costa Rican sources or anything like that, it sounds a good plan though so keep us updated on how it goes or if you manage to find any!

As for Turkish, which do you think is better: the TY Beginner's Turkish, Conversational Turkish or regular TY Turkish? I know you've not used them yet probably but I'd be interested to know, as as you know I just have the regular TY one!

Y me gustaría saber cómo has podido ver las dos series esas? Es que yo también quiero hacer lo mismo que tú y quiero ver más series y incorporar el español en mi vida (has ido a www.telecinco.es ? hay un montón de programas como series y tal en este enlace!)

I'm enjoying reading your posts, keep up the good work ;) :)

Dizzy


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