budonoseito Pro Member United States budobeyondtechnRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5834 days ago 261 posts - 344 votes Studies: French, Japanese Personal Language Map
| Message 9 of 19 02 July 2010 at 3:48pm | IP Logged |
Paskwc wrote:
Generally speaking, I really enjoy Assimil. It's a low-intensity, yet
effective,
introduction to a language.
The one gripe I have with Assimil is that I can't seem to walk away from it with a good
sense of a language's grammar or how to spell things. I'm not saying it's impossible
(look at all the people who've managed), but I just can't seem to. That said, I learn
enough to read and listen but speaking and especially writing are harder to get a
handle
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I like Smart.fm SRS system for this. You have to
translate in both directions and then spell the word in your target language. This
multiple level of difficulty is very good at natural progression. Like any SRS, if you
make a mistake, it lets your restudy the item and moves it up in the queue.
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dbuzzingham Newbie United States Joined 6897 days ago 3 posts - 4 votes Studies: English*
| Message 10 of 19 04 July 2010 at 4:56am | IP Logged |
budonoseito,
Thank you for bringing Smart.fm to my attention. I'd not seen it before, but am very
impressed with what it can do. Now, if I can just figure out how to enter those special
Spanish characters that aren't used in English (á,é,í,ó,ú,ñ,¿ and ¡)!
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OneEye Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 6879 days ago 518 posts - 784 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, Taiwanese, German, French
| Message 11 of 19 04 July 2010 at 7:39am | IP Logged |
I'm getting close to the halfway point in New French With Ease. I love it. I've gotten to the point so far that I can make sense of a lot of written material that I come across. Not everything, of course, or even close, but if I've got a dictionary I can at least hack my way through it. Since my main reason for studying French is to read and do research, I'm very happy with my progress. I don't think I'll do the active wave until I have a need to be able to speak or write in French, or until I've learned all the other languages I want to and have some spare time.
I have to say I love the Assimil method and it's the easiest time I've ever had learning a language. I plan on using it for all my future languages.
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tiny86 Newbie Australia Joined 5393 days ago 17 posts - 18 votes
| Message 12 of 19 05 July 2010 at 1:50pm | IP Logged |
hey, just a quick question for those that have finished assimil with ease courses before. I started about 10 or so days ago the assimil German with ease course, as I am living here in berlin for the past month and had prior to that dabled in Pimsuleur and FSI I could move through the exercises quite quickly. ive finsihed about 40 or so now, and the last 10 or so have become more detailed etc etc so been taking about 20-30 minutes on each.
I am also not worrying about not learning all the words off by heart now as that is what has been suggested on here before, just to move along at a steady pace. My method so far is listen to each lesson around 5 - 6 times, then read through it in German with German audio playing, then read the translations if I don´t understand anything and then comlete the exercises. Whenever I finish a lecture I listen to it again and make sure I understand everything (most likely because it is still fresh in my mind but still good to know that on some level something new has stuck in). I then write down all the words I don´t know the meaning of and write down the translation.
My question is, now that the lessons are getting a bit longer and more detailed, when I come back to the active phase to translate from English to German, has anyone had problems with not remembering anything? I am worried when I get to some later exercises in the active phase that nothing will have stuck with me, and I´ll have to look up half of the words in my dictionary and not really be completeing the active phase properly. I try and listen through the old lectures on my i pod whenever I can, and I can still understand everything, even if it takes me a few extra seconds to rememer certain words. Im just afraid that when i do get to some of the later lectures in the active phase, nothing will have stuck, and ill be constantly checking words in my dictionary, or reading the German translations in the assimil book. Has this happened to anyone? Or does it normally come back to you naturally? If this does happen to me is it an overly bad thing?
I have around 2 weeks before start work in mostly German, so trying to get as much study done as possible and im moving through around 4 lectures a day.
Is there anything wrong with my routine or should I just keep going and not think about it to much?
cheers
Ben
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Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 7132 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French
| Message 13 of 19 05 July 2010 at 2:36pm | IP Logged |
tiny86 wrote:
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Personally, I wouldn't worry too much. My general experience has been that when you come to do the Active Wave for the early lessons it will seem quite easy. I can't see "Der Tee ist kalt" providing too many problems :-).
Don't forget that by the time you come to do the Active Wave for the lessons you're now describing as longer and more detailed, you will have already moved on to more complex constructions passively. You can repeat each lesson actively (like you already are passively) until you have it nailed. You can also put the exercise sentences plus sentences from the notes into SRS software to ensure it gets reviewed - this is what I'll be doing next time round. Wait until you get the Active Wave under way - I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5594 days ago 938 posts - 1840 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin
| Message 14 of 19 05 July 2010 at 2:43pm | IP Logged |
I find I forget lots of stuff (I have a terrible memory) - I especially forget unusual words or idiomatic expressions. However, the act of trying to figure it out and trying to remember and then going over the material a second time is a deep learning experience in itself.
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datsunking1 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5614 days ago 1014 posts - 1533 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Russian, Dutch, French
| Message 15 of 19 05 July 2010 at 3:25pm | IP Logged |
Paskwc wrote:
Generally speaking, I really enjoy Assimil. It's a low-intensity, yet effective,
introduction to a language.
The one gripe I have with Assimil is that I can't seem to walk away from it with a good
sense of a language's grammar or how to spell things. I'm not saying it's impossible
(look at all the people who've managed), but I just can't seem to. That said, I learn
enough to read and listen but speaking and especially writing are harder to get a handle
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I'm the opposite I guess.
When I'm translating something or when I hear something my mind immeadiately refers to an Assimil sentence, and I say "No, that's not right." or "Yeah, that's it"
It really helps to study Assimil with native material like music and reading, along with a small course in grammar. After going through 42 lessons (as of today) of German Without Toil, when I read a little of my German Grammar, I'll say "Oh that makes sense now" because it does. Some people think all the cases and stuff are weird and difficult, but I don't question them. They work and they seem pretty logical to me...then again, maybe I'm weird :D
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datsunking1 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5614 days ago 1014 posts - 1533 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Russian, Dutch, French
| Message 16 of 19 05 July 2010 at 3:27pm | IP Logged |
I think I posted this in another thread, but would anyone consider going through Assimil twice? just to really reinforce it all, and know it very well?
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