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crafedog Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5819 days ago 166 posts - 337 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Korean, Tok Pisin, French
| Message 9 of 12 13 September 2010 at 6:56am | IP Logged |
AN unusual bit of advice but improve your pronunciation. I'm not saying your pronunciation is bad but I've noticed in my students that the ones with the worse pronunciation will always have weak listening skills.
When I worked on my Korean pronunciation my listening improved noticably; it was very weird.
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| jtdotto Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5230 days ago 73 posts - 172 votes Speaks: English*, Korean Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, German
| Message 10 of 12 13 September 2010 at 11:26am | IP Logged |
We often think of listening as a passive skill, which it is to a degree, but I'd say it's actually two skills synthesized
simultaneously - one passive and one active. The passive skill is vocabulary recognition, which is simply
dependent on how much exposure you've garnered with the language. When you try to remember what a word
means and get hung up on it, this is where the 'passiveness' ceases and your brain takes an active approach to
vocabulary, which means its not actively focusing on what it should be - which is listening to the structure and
story. It's extremely difficult to follow a conversation/story/lecture etc. in a foreign language, and takes a lot of
concentration. Missing key words doesn't help either, but being on top of where a speaker is going with their
words really becomes an art after a while.
In order to see improvement in both these areas, there is a simple, effective method you can engage in for as
long as you can bear each day. Take any substantive audio, at least a few minutes, at good paces. Sit down and
listen to the entire thing. Now go back and beginning with the first phrase, jot down everything you hear. Pause
as frequently as you need and jot down every word, whether you know how to spell it or not. Go back over with
the transcript and see where you were subconsciously hearing one word that was actually two, or find which
sounds your ear can simply not hear at this stage (especially only after a summer of learning). If you have the
English translation too, that's even better. But the point of the exercise is to see what you're hearing in your
mind's eye. If you can do this, you'll have a much better shot at 'seeing' the spaces between words, thus
identifying the words you don't know.
It can be a grueling method - but it's simple enough.
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| TheGBiBanana Newbie United States Joined 5309 days ago 16 posts - 16 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Arabic (classical), Arabic (Iraqi), Arabic (Written)
| Message 11 of 12 20 September 2010 at 5:23am | IP Logged |
When I listen to Al-jazeera I have to mentally repeat everything they say in my mind in my own voice at their pace and it all just comes to me, any words i know i can throw together the meanings and take away information fairly easy and my Arabic is not that great.
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6676 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 12 of 12 20 September 2010 at 11:10pm | IP Logged |
jtdotto wrote:
In order to see improvement in both these areas, there is a simple, effective method you can engage in for as
long as you can bear each day. Take any substantive audio, at least a few minutes, at good paces. Sit down and
listen to the entire thing. Now go back and beginning with the first phrase, jot down everything you hear. Pause
as frequently as you need and jot down every word, whether you know how to spell it or not. Go back over with
the transcript and see where you were subconsciously hearing one word that was actually two, or find which
sounds your ear can simply not hear at this stage (especially only after a summer of learning). If you have the
English translation too, that's even better. But the point of the exercise is to see what you're hearing in your
mind's eye. If you can do this, you'll have a much better shot at 'seeing' the spaces between words, thus
identifying the words you don't know.
It can be a grueling method - but it's simple enough. |
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A few years ago I read this technique used with movies and sitcoms, but I didn't use it. I forgot it.
It seems the trick is working scene by scene, listening several times, using the pause button a lot and writing down everything you hear. Then you compare your notes with the script.
jtdotto, how long did it take you to achieve native (or near native) listening skills using this method?
Edited by slucido on 20 September 2010 at 11:11pm
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