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| global_gizzy Senior Member United States maxcollege.blogspot. Joined 5704 days ago 275 posts - 310 votes  Studies: Spanish | Message 1 of 11 23 September 2010 at 10:57pm | IP Logged |
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I have been trying to find two words that rhyme in Spanish, finally I just asked a Bolivian Spanish Teacher and he told me Saber and Comer.
Now, to me, these words do NOT ryhme. I cant hear it. I know they have the same "air" sound at the very end but to me, the VOWEL sounds in these words are AH-"air" from saber OH-"air" from Comer. I asked another English speaker and they agreed that these words rhymed to them... Do these words REALLY rhyme? Am I off or do you think the Bolivian guy made a mistake... Do these words rhyme to a Spanish speaker and not to an English speaker? To me Ocean and motion rhyme hat, cat and rat rhyme house and mouse shout and tout divide and guide rhyme slicken and sicken rhyme. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 2 of 11 23 September 2010 at 11:05pm | IP Logged |
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The usual rule for rhyme is the stressed vowel and every phoneme after it.
Marking stressed vowels in your examples (double marking diphthongs) Ócean and mótion hát, cát and rát hóúse and móúse shóút and tóút divíde and guíde slícken and sícken So Sabér and comér also rhyme. It's a bit of a lazy rhyme, but it's a rhyme nonetheless. Edit: Perhaps your problem is down to the clear preceding vowel. In English, the vowel preceding a stressed syllable is always obscure (schwa), so there's a bit of a "does not compute" element to hearing rhyme. Edited by Cainntear on 23 September 2010 at 11:07pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Agustín76 Newbie Argentina Joined 5181 days ago 11 posts - 14 votes Speaks: English | Message 3 of 11 24 September 2010 at 2:41am | IP Logged |
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Tal Cual. La rima sería:
comER / sabER pero como rima es muy básica. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| El Forastero Pentaglot Senior Member Colombia alijunakai.blogspot.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6270 days ago 186 posts - 228 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Portuguese, FrenchB1, EnglishC1, Italian Studies: German | Message 4 of 11 24 September 2010 at 5:43am | IP Logged |
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All verbs finished in -ER rhyme among them, and with others words finished in -ER and stressed in the last syllabe (like "mujer": Woman)
Spanish have only one "e" sound, even though some dialects can be a bit different. You say these words (saber and Comer) don't rhyme for you, try to pronounce correctly in Spanish and they'll rhyme 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| furrykef Senior Member United States furrykef.com/ Joined 6473 days ago 681 posts - 862 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Latin, Italian | Message 5 of 11 24 September 2010 at 1:03pm | IP Logged |
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I think the only reason they seem not to rhyme is that they are stressed on the last syllable, and last-syllable stress is rare in English and rarely used for rhyming. So if you don't expect stressed final syllables to be a valid rhyme, well, it won't sound like a rhyme. But if you use Cainntear's definition of a rhyme, then yes, they rhyme.
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| global_gizzy Senior Member United States maxcollege.blogspot. Joined 5704 days ago 275 posts - 310 votes Studies: Spanish | Message 6 of 11 24 September 2010 at 4:54pm | IP Logged |
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What is a basic rhyme that you can HEAR in Spanish?
I have been told by my Spanish teachers and other Spanish speakers that I have really good Spanish pronounciation. I can roll my R well in isolation and when I'm trying to get it, but in conversation at normal pace, it comes out to weak. However, even in my best Spanish pronounciation, I can't hear a rhyme here. To me, saying that Saber and Comer rhyme is like saying Veterinarian and Historian rhyme because they have the same ending sound. "rian" Can someone give me some Spanish words that rhyme in the most basic sense? Like pato and gato. (duck) and (cat) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 7 of 11 24 September 2010 at 4:58pm | IP Logged |
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What is your definition of rhyme that would imply that 3 rhyming phonemes do not constitute a rhyme, but that adding a fourth one does?
To me, even 2 rhyming phonemes would constitute a rhyme. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| El Forastero Pentaglot Senior Member Colombia alijunakai.blogspot.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6270 days ago 186 posts - 228 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Portuguese, FrenchB1, EnglishC1, Italian Studies: German | Message 8 of 11 24 September 2010 at 9:33pm | IP Logged |
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I can explain that: In Spanish, there are two different kinds of rhyme:
Rima Asonante: When only accented vowels coincide. You can see an example HERE Rima Comsonante: When every last Phonemes coincide. You can see an example HERE Tou must to realize that for these two kinds of rhymes, last two syllables are considered if the word is "grave" (paroxytene?), but only one if it's "aguda" (oxytone?) and three if it's "esdrújula" (proparoxytone). That's it: if you pronnounce correctly "sabEr" and "comEr" (stressed on E), they rhyme, but if you pronnounce them "sAber" and "cOmer" (Stressed on A and O) they won't rhyme 1 person has voted this message useful |
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