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| SlickAs Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5881 days ago 185 posts - 287 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Swedish Studies: Thai, Vietnamese | Message 50 of 54 08 February 2009 at 7:38am | IP Logged | |||||
Mate, it is not like he wrote on a Thai forum in Thai claiming to speak fluent English (unlike the earlier Anglophone guy who claims in English a Mexican accent whom no-one questions), he wrote in English. If you posted something in absolutely perfect error-free Spanish on a Spanish language forum, and a beginner native Spanish speaker who is trying to learn his first language poo-poo'ed it saying we require you to say something into a microphone to prove yourself, it would be out of order. He has nothing to prove, it is all proven in his written English. I mean if we want to have a "post audio or shut-up" thing then maybe you need to, and I need to, and everyone needs to. Edited by SlickAs on 08 February 2009 at 7:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Recht Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5805 days ago 241 posts - 270 votes Speaks: English*, GermanB1 | Message 51 of 54 08 February 2009 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
What are you getting in a hissy fit about? He claims he speaks English without an accent, which is why a voice sample is relevant. What does his perfect English writing have anything to do with his purported perfect English speaking? NOTHING. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Suriya Tetraglot Newbie Thailand Joined 5794 days ago 34 posts - 38 votes Speaks: Thai*, Laotian, English, Japanese Studies: Spanish, French, Welsh | Message 52 of 54 16 February 2009 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
I must admit that I make grammatical mistakes sometimes, but never back to Thai accent. When I started conversing in English I was (and still is) surrounded by British people (my partner and his colleagues) and that helps immensely. My Thai accent was thick, indeed, back then, but over time after hearing my partner says 'bloody wanker' for about 10,000 times it had been changing gradually.
I get you point. However in case you've forgotten the gist in my previous post, what I was trying to say was that it's difficult but not impossible to lose your accent and adopt your target language's, not to prove myself to you or others in this forum (Also, it's been confirmed by about 10-15 Britons I've met and befriended with already, which I reckon enough to ensure myself that I'm more or less on the right track). Though I insist that I'm not lying, you can either take it or leave it. Believe me or not, it's your choice. I don't see why I should go through all that trouble. I can't be asked! Well, of course unless you want to wager on it :) I can use some extra money here lol Edited by Suriya on 18 February 2009 at 7:44am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6451 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German | Message 53 of 54 16 February 2009 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
After the 1923 great Great Kanto earthquake rumors spread that the Korean residents were taking advantage of the tragedy and committing heinous crimes. Soon mobs were hunting for Koreans. One quick test of ethnic identity (shibboleth) was to force the person to repeat "ju-go-en, go-jus-sen" and "gagigugego" which is apparently a tongue-twister for Koreans. A lot of people died. The Dutch used the name of the port town Scheveningen as a shibboleth to tell Germans from the Dutch. Pier Gerlofs Donia "Grutte Pier" a Frisian pirate would ask his victims to recite: Bûter, brea, en griene tsiis; wa't dat net sizze kin, is gjin oprjochte Fries Butter, bread, and green cheese: if you can’t say that, you’re not a real Frisian. He personally decapitated some of his captives. US soldiers used words like Ripley/ripply and "lollapalooza" If they heard even one "r" where it did not belong they would immediately open fire. Edited by reineke on 18 February 2009 at 12:25am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| mytamk Diglot Groupie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6282 days ago 64 posts - 68 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 54 of 54 22 March 2009 at 9:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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OK. Back to the original post of "Showing off" when the guy greeted him in Japanese. Maybe he was NOT showing off at all. It was all in the point of view of the receiver. Since I am learning Japanese and Spanish, I love to listen to songs in those languages. So if I had my ipod on and if anyone speaks to one, I automatically response in what language my ipod is playing. So maybe he was not trying to show off at all. I don't know the situation. But as in law in the U.S., innocent until proven guilty. Nevertheless, we, language learners, all know how difficult it is to learn a new language. So I honor and respect anybody who at least makes a decent attempt to learn a new language. Just remember with privilege comes responsibility. So I hope anyone who reach language learning to a comprehensible level to extend assistance and tolerance to anyone who is monolingual and in need of translation.
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