Jar-ptitsa
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| Message 41 of 60 02 May 2009 at 9:14pm | IP Logged |
Chung wrote:
Actually you'd offend a lot of Canadians too with this reasoning. A lot of Canadians descend
from Scottish or Irish folk who came to Canada starting in the 18th century. The only reason I know this is that
when I met them and started talking to them about where they're from, they replied that they're Scottish or Irish.
Is there a reason for these people to ignore or downplay their identity when it comes time for celebrations such
as Robbie Burns' Day or St. Patrick's Day? As it is Pauline / Jar-ptitsa, you need to get out of Europe for a bit and
only then you'll understand better what Volte, portunhol, jbbar and I are talking about on the question of
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In the 18th century!!!!!! It's not their identity more, or is it in Canada the law or obligaotry traditions that the
immigrants from Scotland marry exclusively with Scottish, every generation since 1700-2009?
Why it's so bad to say "I'm amercian" or "I'm canadian" ? It's better that Romanian, for example (my opinion).
Edited by Jar-ptitsa on 02 May 2009 at 9:16pm
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| Message 42 of 60 02 May 2009 at 9:14pm | IP Logged |
Jar-ptitsa wrote:
Chung wrote:
| Why in the hell is this thread degenerating into a session for bashing America? |
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Who's bashing America? I don't bash it at all, or have I to write that the US is perfect?
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Pauline / Jar-ptitsa, live outside Europe for a bit or at least open your eyes. The mechanistic approach of
assigning nationality based on birthplace or competency in the "national language" does not hold up very well.
For example, Franz von Suppe was a composer who was born and grew up in Dalmatia (what is now Croatia) to a
family of what is considered to be Belgian extraction, and spent most of his adult life in Vienna composing and
interacting only in German. What do you consider him to be? Belgian? Croatian? Dalmatian? Austrian? It doesn't
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My eyes are open. Open *your* eyes, not just dictate we must all agree with the amercians and that they've all
guns and shoot everyone. Look to the statistic of gun deaths.
Franz von Suppé was European. What he fell I don't know, proabbly Dalmatian and Belgian.
I do NOT propose cut-and-dried answers, but it's ridiculous when a monolingual anglophone amercian whose
great-great-onemillion of time ---great-great-grandfather immigrated from Italy, say that "I'm Italian". Thsi is
my opinion and it's allowed to have my opinion.
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When you live in a country or region whose current population comprises a lot of recent immigrants, it's
foolish/impractical to think that these recent immigrants will automatically feel at home with the history or
culture of the new nation. In the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, it's common for people who have
been in these lands for up to 2 or 3 generations to say that their national identity is still that of the ancestral
homeland rather than "American", "Canadian", "Australian" or "New Zealander". It's not wrong and it only shows
that they're conscious about their past and not quite able to drop all of the old affiliations regardless of whether
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*RECENT* immigrnats is another thing, for example your parents (or grand-parenst, if all four) but 200 years
ago it's RIDICULOUS. The recent immigrants, yes, it's natural because their parents had this language and
culture, then the person can say "I am born in the US and my parents are Italians". |
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Actually you'd offend a lot of Canadians too with this reasoning. A lot of Canadians descend from Scottish or Irish folk who came to Canada starting in the 18th century. The only reason I know this is that when I met them and started talking to them about where they're from, they replied that they're Scottish or Irish. Is there a reason for these people to ignore or downplay their identity when it comes time for celebrations such as Robbie Burns' Day or St. Patrick's Day? As it is Pauline / Jar-ptitsa, you need to get out of Europe for a bit and only then you'll understand better what Volte, portunhol, jbbar and I are talking about on the question of identity.
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Jar-ptitsa
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| Message 43 of 60 02 May 2009 at 9:15pm | IP Logged |
Chung's post is disaappeared about Canadians ????????
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Jar-ptitsa
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| Message 44 of 60 02 May 2009 at 9:16pm | IP Logged |
My post before Chung's was a reply, The order is inversed.
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| Message 45 of 60 02 May 2009 at 9:19pm | IP Logged |
That's a little weird (*cue mysterious ditty from the Twilight Zone*)
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| Message 46 of 60 02 May 2009 at 9:21pm | IP Logged |
Jar-ptitsa wrote:
jbbar wrote:
Recht wrote:
Those are some very unpopular views that you hold, I'm guessing. Correct?
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Oh, depends on who you're talking to. I would say that such views and opinions are repressed, rather.
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VLAAMS BLOK I suppose. |
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What the heck is this supposed to mean? I was just in the process of writing a response to your other message and now you have to drag in controversial Belgian political issues into this discussion?! Get out of here. I'm going to ignore this dumb remark to avoid having this thread locked as a result.
jbbar
Edited by jbbar on 02 May 2009 at 9:23pm
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Jar-ptitsa
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| Message 47 of 60 02 May 2009 at 9:25pm | IP Logged |
jbbar wrote:
Jar-ptitsa wrote:
jbbar wrote:
Recht wrote:
Those are some very unpopular views that
you hold, I'm guessing. Correct?
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Oh, depends on who you're talking to. I would say that such views and opinions are repressed, rather.
jbbar |
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VLAAMS BLOK I suppose. |
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What the heck is this supposed to mean? I was just in the process of writing a response to your other message
and now you have to drag in controversial Belgian political issues into this discussion?! Get out of here.
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It's supposed to mean: you wrote that your views and opinions are repressed. The opinions repressed in Belgium
are Vlaams Blok (right-wing, racist etc)
You get out of here, vlaams blok.
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Jar-ptitsa
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| Message 48 of 60 02 May 2009 at 9:27pm | IP Logged |
jbbar wrote:
Jar-ptitsa wrote:
jbbar wrote:
Recht wrote:
Those are some very unpopular views that
you hold, I'm guessing. Correct?
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Oh, depends on who you're talking to. I would say that such views and opinions are repressed, rather.
jbbar |
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VLAAMS BLOK I suppose. |
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What the heck is this supposed to mean? I was just in the process of writing a response to your other message
and now you have to drag in controversial Belgian political issues into this discussion?! Get out of here. I'm going
to ignore this dumb remark to avoid having this thread locked as a result.
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My remark was NOT dumb. In belgium, if a flemish's opinions are repressed, he's vlaams blok.
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