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Message 169 of 192

26 September 2012 at 9:46am | IP Logged

Ari wrote:

Ha, I came to think of this thread when reading about the new skateboard park in Högdalen, Stockholm. It's called "Highvalley Skateworld", where "Highvalley" is a very literal translation of "Högdalen". That's another interesting form of city renaming, when it's done in the country of the city itself. There's something similar in my hometown Karlskoga where the local American football team is called the "Charleswood Wolves". "Karl" becomes "Charles" and "skog" becomes "wood". Is this something that happens in other countries, too?

The video game series Silent Hill was created in Japan, but takes place in the eponymous fictional American town. 'Silent Hill' is also the literal translation of 'Shizuoka' (静岡), a city and prefecture to the southwest of the Greater Tokyo Area.
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Message 170 of 192

26 September 2012 at 1:06pm | IP Logged

I've read a lot of books by foreign authors in Russian or Russian authors with many
foreign names. I've always had problems with stress and softening consonants in front of
"e".
I can only imagine what English speakers think when they are in a similar situation.
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Message 171 of 192

26 September 2012 at 2:44pm | IP Logged

Ari wrote:

There's something similar in my hometown Karlskoga where the local American football team is called the "Charleswood Wolves". "Karl" becomes "Charles" and "skog" becomes "wood". Is this something that happens in other countries, too?

The Dutch, of course, love to use English names for things, such as the name of this football club Quick Boys. The name goes back to 1920.

http://www.quickboys.nl/
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Message 172 of 192

26 September 2012 at 2:53pm | IP Logged

That is common in general, I used to play against Full Speed for example (there is even a
club called Kozakken Boys!!!!).

(which the other guys would pronounce as Fool Speet)

Edited by tarvos on 26 September 2012 at 2:54pm
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Message 173 of 192

26 September 2012 at 3:23pm | IP Logged

Ari wrote:

Serpent wrote:

According to wiktionary, Russia is Éluósī and ngo-lo-si. The Mandarin one is more similar for sure...
Mind telling what was the fate of Fēnlán, Mòsīkē, Kèluódìyà, Pútáoyá and Lǐsīběn in Cantonese? :) (I mean I can't find the Cantonese pronunciation of these... but I'm damn curious now:P)

Disregarding tones, because thet won't give you anything useful.
Finland: Fan laan
Moscow: Mok si fo
Croatia: Haak lo dei aa
Portugal: Pou tou ngaa
Lisbon: Lei si bun

For most larger countries and cities, you can look up the pronunciation in CantoDict

Thank you, that's very interesting!
So Portugal sounds more similar in Cantonese. And out of these five, only Croatia is completely unrecognizable.
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Message 174 of 192

27 September 2012 at 11:36am | IP Logged

I've heard the Russian name Ivan pronounced /aivn/. Such approach does not seem logical
even to English native speakers either. They do not see pronouncing Jose as /dʒoʊz/
correct.
The same happens in Russian at smaller extent, when, say, in words of Japanese origin in
Rusian the stressed vowel is not actually pronounced in Japanese.
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Message 175 of 192

27 September 2012 at 1:32pm | IP Logged

José Mourinho is usually pronounced as dʒoʊze(i) in English... although they have no problems with the ʒ in words like pleasure. Does it make such a huge difference that it's word-initial???
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27 September 2012 at 1:35pm | IP Logged

Serpent wrote:

José Mourinho is usually pronounced as dʒoʊze(i) in English... although
they have no problems with the ʒ in words like pleasure. Does it make such a huge
difference that it's word-initial???

maybe it's inconvenient to pronounce an intial ʒ?

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