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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5555 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 105 of 200 19 April 2011 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Whatever level you achieved, the main thing now is to review and build on your passion for learning Russian. It would be a shame to forget up to 80% after all the effort you've put in. Edited by Teango on 19 April 2011 at 9:18pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5429 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 106 of 200 19 April 2011 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think the way to dispel this skepticism here is to do a Youtube video just like many polyglots and language learners have done. Nothing fancy. Just a few minutes talking about any subject such as daily activities or family. What would be nice would be to have another speaker to interact with, but that may be asking too much.
The point of all of this is that we have to look at objective facts and not get bogged down in vague discussions of what means what. Who cares about the curriculum of MT level 3? Show us the facts. I say that if a person claims to be at a B1 level, then the onus is on them to demonstrate it. 8 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5129 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 107 of 200 19 April 2011 at 9:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
Of course I'm aware the MT Russian teacher is a native speaker. Who cares? It's still not external feedback, so yes, what you did was indeed in a vacuum. If you're unwilling to take your language to the next level by actually using it with native speakers (because that's what you'll need to do - reviewing the MT course over and over won't advance you any more), just do as s_allard suggests and post a youtube video. You'll get external feedback soon enough. R. == 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5429 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 108 of 200 19 April 2011 at 11:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Just a quick note to clarify my last post. Although I am very skeptical about the results of this experiment, I am keeping an open mind. By and large the regular contributors to HTLAL are a curious, helpful and open-minded crowd. Despite our differences and disagreements, we share an interest or a passion for foreign languages and intercultural communication. In addition, we are certainly interested in novel or more effective ways of language learning. I would also add that most of us have realized that mastering a language to a high level of proficiency tends to be a long and often arduous but satisfying process.
When I see someone claiming to achieve B1 proficiency in Russian after 3 days of intense study, I am doubtful but intrigued. This is because I'm currently looking to have a go at Mandarin. As I survey all the usual options including classes at some local schools. I'm not too thrilled because I find classes tend to be a bit of a gamble and learning Mandarin by myself seems a bit daunting. So, I'm curious to see what could be accomplished by the Accelerated Learning technique. Maybe I could do something similar and jump-start my Mandarin. But I want to see some results. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Hashimi Senior Member Oman Joined 6258 days ago 362 posts - 529 votes Speaks: Arabic (Written)* Studies: English, Japanese | Message 109 of 200 20 April 2011 at 8:30pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Nice experiment! Abazid, why don't you go to the Russian Cultural Centre in El Dokki (near Dokki metro station) and try to find a native Russian to speak with? There is a friendly lady who teach piano to children, and I think she will not hesitate to talk with you. Tell us how the conversation goes. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Abazid Diglot Newbie Egypt Joined 5016 days ago 16 posts - 23 votes Speaks: Arabic (Egyptian)*, English Studies: Russian | Message 111 of 200 22 April 2011 at 12:23am | IP Logged | |||||
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It seems that there's a form of a big misunderstanding going on here , I wanted to do this from about 2 years ago , But I've always put it off for whatever reason , But around lately I've decided to do it and see where it goes once and for all , I thought that like usual starting a public journal would be a fun thing to do , A great way to share whether it's beneficial and at the same time it would be useful for me to stick to doing it .
But what seems to be going in here feels like as if I'm doing Internet marketing and I'm trying to make you believe something for you to buy my product , Or I'm trying to reach a super-star status or some superficial BS trivial pursuit . I'm not here to be judged or graded by the revered know-it-all "Arm-Chair" skeptics that would rather in their extreme close-minded skepticism talk for hours rather than get on their asses and get their feet wet and try it for themselves and see if it works for them or not and then talk with authority & experience . If you're SO confident in your own experience & learning methods , Why are you lurking here trying to prove me wrong everytime I utter my own beliefs or experiences ? If you don't trust my experience details and results then it bears repeating , Leave and stop wasting my own time . My main goal with this was to learn the amount of Russian that would make me understand the material I wanted to learn for my own research , I've never mentioned grades in the beginning until someone asked what I would think , And even then I mentioned I might be completely wrong , And till now I didn't succeed with my own goal , I still need more training to understand this. The only extra thing that I came out was that in my own experience I could use this if I were to go to a foreign country , And If I did the same for more than a week , Fluency would definitely take less time especially if I had more memory skills , If you think that's not possible , Then I respect that , But before you tell me so , Try it for yourself first . After researching CEFR in more detail : https://www.teachers.cambridgeesol.org/ts/exams/CEFR/A2 https://www.teachers.cambridgeesol.org/ts/exams/CEFR/B1 From what I've studied and what I "remember" from the MT course , At best I'd probably would rank A2 , Probably more advanced A2 , As I'm capable of expressing myself a little more this description , Yet my listening skills aren't very advanced yet , And there would be still some situations in which I wouldn't know what would be the exact vocabulary to use and I would be at loss for words to put on my English language background . Yet , I withdraw my assumption completely back in regards of ranking . First of all , No ranking system is EVER accurate & perfect enough to reflect a person's level of skill not including the so many factors entwined in the process , Sometimes even the supposedly most complete language tests wouldn't be very accurate as a reflection of a person skill at the time . Not including the fact that I'm a single person , My concentration , memory skills , processing skills are completely different from every person , Hence what I could achieve is different as well . Hence even if I was lenient enough to comply to be graded in a 2 min video because my words aren't trustworthy & vague , It'd wouldn't make much difference with a video that I made myself . Finally , When I offered the study guide , It's not rocket science to realize that it was very obvious that for those that went through MT before that anyone even of average ability could learn what's within the curriculum (and end up remembering the material with varying retention rates depending on his own skills) and to show the rank of material for those that are obsessed by ranks , That's all .
This is ridiculous , I've learnt English and I now speak it fluently with an American accent without having to speak to "One" native speaker , Only through learning the basics & advanced materials and then reading books & watching tons of movies until WAY later that I started to use it with people online , in Job interviews and with Native speakers and I was already very good at it . The amount of constant testing I did alone on MT Russian and then finding the exact same patterns while reading & in the movies I've watched and continue to , Is very much external feedback ,And that very much works for me as it did before . And in the end this wasn't my goal , You could simply assume that I'm lying about my progress if I come off as a Hypey dishonest person .
Maybe I'll do that in the future , But when I feel like doing it for learning , Not to prove your own point and demonstrate myself to you . Edited by Abazid on 22 April 2011 at 12:29am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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