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| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5429 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 129 of 200 22 April 2011 at 8:35pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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There's an outfit http://www.fluencyfast.com/ that claims that it can teach the basics of a language in four days. Their site has quite a bit of video of people actually speaking after a couple of days. Of course, we have to be modest in our expectations. Honestly, nobody is going to become a B1 in four days. I think the company tends to exaggerate the actual results, as most language training companies do, but we do get a chance to see some results. I'm actually impressed. At least people are opening their mouths and saying things that are somewhat comprehensible. It's a starting point, and as long as everybody is honest in their claims and expectations, I really don't have a problem with an approach like this.
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| Delaunay Pentaglot Newbie Hungary Joined 4988 days ago 16 posts - 27 votes Speaks: German, Hungarian*, English, Japanese, Dutch Studies: Russian | Message 130 of 200 22 April 2011 at 11:02pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Whoa,interesting experiment! Though I would have been much more excited if he would have completed the original goal, however unhealthy that was.
And while I understand how horrible it could be to read such negative feedback, it's still a forum, a medium for open discussion, and saying that you think an idea is silly is within everyone's rights. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5955 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes Studies: French | Message 131 of 200 23 April 2011 at 7:41am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The mind portal guy - fun times! Mind portal 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6010 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 132 of 200 23 April 2011 at 11:15am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Well, I'm not really convinced by the TPRS methodology in general, and in that video they weren't really called on to make any innovative sentences -- they were just recycling language. Also, any "learning by listening" method always relies on content/lexical words, which goes counter to the claim that the course teaches the most frequent vocabulary because the most frequent items of vocabulary are generally function words. In fact, this is the weakness of almost every class in the world -- whether they're teaching through explicit grammar instruction or "leading-by-the-nose" with the target language, they always use too many lexical words. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5297 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes | Message 133 of 200 23 April 2011 at 11:38am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
How could one expect more, after four days?
Almost every class? In the world? wow ... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5407 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 134 of 200 23 April 2011 at 11:53am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I'm wondering about the point at which we can stop our hand-holding and open-mindedness B.S. with this experiment. I'll play along for a few more weeks if folks really want to, but I don't think there's anyone here than really thinks he's learned more than about 60 hours (as that seems to be roughly what he did) worth of the language. And I'm almost positive I won't see more than that proved.
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| HMS Senior Member England Joined 5106 days ago 143 posts - 256 votes Speaks: English* | Message 135 of 200 23 April 2011 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Sandman, How incredibly presumptious and arrogant of you! Edited by HMS on 23 April 2011 at 2:19pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5129 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 136 of 200 23 April 2011 at 4:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Just going back through the thread, I noticed you had this to say:
Do you believe you've saved any time - "cutting your learning time in half or even more"? Oh wait. I found this later in the thread:
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Do you still consider this brainwashing?
HMS asked this:
I'm curious to know how much you (Abazid) believe you've retained, now that you've had a few days. And aerozeplyn had this to say:
I have a different opinion. The MT course is not a large dataset of information.
Exactly.
Exactly. But because of the combination of speed and tiredness, he probably missed things.
Hopefully what he took away from this is that it really didn't save him any time. Going through the MT course - and that's all he did - would have probably produced more solid results by spreading it out over more than 4 days, with little sleep.
These weren't strawman arguments. They were warnings by people who have gone through MT courses before. So, how about it, Abazid, what do you believe that you've gained from this over taking the requisite usual amount of time to complete the MT course (I personally think you could have taken your time and gone through everything in two to three weeks, without all the pain)? And, to reiterate: now that you've had some time, how much do you think you've retained? I maintain that you should try and converse with native speakers to get a true sense of what you've learned and retained. R. == Edited by hrhenry on 23 April 2011 at 4:05pm 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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