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| Anno Triglot Newbie Israel acquiringkorean.word Joined 5627 days ago 29 posts - 41 votes Speaks: English, Korean, Dutch Studies: Turkish, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, French | Message 1 of 9 27 November 2011 at 3:41am | IP Logged | ||
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This is a cool resource -- "Growing
Participator Approach". They have a whole bunch of fascinating articles on language learning and culture hacking. One of the neat things about their approach is that eventually you get a to a very high cultural and linguistic level without really studying traditionally at all. I've been using their ideas extensively when I studied Korean and now I'm using it for my Hebrew study. Because they view 'language' as 'culture' they put a heavy emphasis (in my opinion too much) on using a language helper and communing with people in local communities rather than studying sentences ala AJATT. However, they have incredibly good ideas for language practice sessions with language helpers. They also have a whole bunch of tips on integrating into the culture of the language you're learning. They argue that instead of learning a language you should re-learn the world. Like a child, you should first learn concrete objects and then slowly get more and more abstract. They map out a six phase programme where the participator participates more and more in the speech community. All the phases you have to use a language helper, or nurturer as they call it. 1st Phase: -- Learning concrete words and phrases (the first part of this phase is just listening). . . using puppets, TPR, props, Lexicarry 2nd Phase -- Using Picture Books to start making sentences and then telling stories with the picture books. This phase also uses series descriptions to generate comprehensible input. 3rd Phase -- Retelling well known stories and also using movies like Mr. Bean or Charlie Chaplain -- watching them with a friend and practice retelling the story together. 4th middle phase and the 5th & 6th Phases focus on ethnographic interviewing of your language helper or nurturer and using native-to-native discourses with your language helper. ---- Hebrew Learning Blog Korean Learning Blog "The key to success is making a million mistakes. . now let's make as many as fast as we can!" Edited by Anno on 27 November 2011 at 12:10pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| fiziwig Senior Member United States Joined 4863 days ago 297 posts - 618 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 2 of 9 27 November 2011 at 6:24pm | IP Logged | ||
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It started out promising, then I hit the religious proselytizing and didn't go any further. There's no way I'm going to bother to plow through the superstitious muck to find whatever pearls of wisdom might be hidden there.
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| Anno Triglot Newbie Israel acquiringkorean.word Joined 5627 days ago 29 posts - 41 votes Speaks: English, Korean, Dutch Studies: Turkish, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, French | Message 3 of 9 27 November 2011 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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Don't worry about the religious paragraphs. There are only a few and far between and not relevant to the method at
all! I think the method was initially designed by SIL linguists (thus the somewhat religious slant) who were helping their people learn difficult languages in far away remote places where there were no language books or audio courses. But its amazingly helpful for other hard languages. . . particularly because it focuses on cultural integration rather than just learning a language surgically. In my extensive use of it for Korean and Hebrew study I've generally skipped the sermonizing sections and devoured the rest. ---- Hebrew Learning Blog Korean Learning Blog "The key to success is making a million mistakes. . now let's make as many as fast as we can!" 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6009 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 4 of 9 27 November 2011 at 7:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm not impressed. It's a lot of handwaving and waffling that says very little.
The core concept is "learn like a child", and that's an inefficient way to learn. Kids learn the way they learn because they've got no choice. As adults, we can employ more efficient strategies. For instance, kids learn concrete language before abstract language, because they don't understand the abstract concepts. As we understand concepts such as thinking, we are perfectly capable of learning them early. A lot of the fundamental grammar of a language is revealed with this sort of language. Edited by Cainntear on 27 November 2011 at 7:10pm 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Anno Triglot Newbie Israel acquiringkorean.word Joined 5627 days ago 29 posts - 41 votes Speaks: English, Korean, Dutch Studies: Turkish, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, French | Message 5 of 9 27 November 2011 at 8:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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kk You must have not read that much if you think the core concept is 'learn like a child'. . . means that you don't
take advantage of the the ways we can learn as an adult. It's one thing to learn about a language, quite another thing to learn a language. To learn a language you have to actually use it. . . and because language is intricately linked with culture you have to use it with other people. In the first stage perhaps it perhaps seems a bit childish. However it depends on the individual but a lot of adults are also kinesthetically oriented -- and using props, TPR, and role play are just another way of strongly enforcing the language to talk about real things. When you don't know much language there isn't much you can say -- that's why you use visual scaffolding ala what Krashen does in his German teaching example. When you know more you can focus more on the culture, doing extensive ethnographic interviews with people. I've never met a child who does ethnographic interviews. . . Throughout it all you are using the language primarily to communicate, which has the happy byproduct of learning the language and the culture. The goal is communication, whether it's communicating your interpretation of a picture book story or talking about your language helper (aka nurturer's) life story. ---- Hebrew Learning Blog Korean Learning Blog "The key to success is making a million mistakes. . now let's make as many as fast as we can!" Edited by Anno on 27 November 2011 at 8:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Anno Triglot Newbie Israel acquiringkorean.word Joined 5627 days ago 29 posts - 41 votes Speaks: English, Korean, Dutch Studies: Turkish, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, French | Message 6 of 9 27 November 2011 at 9:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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This article (phase 4)
has a bunch of info on using life stories of the nurturer (aka language helper) to learn the language and expand into even more topics to learn about the life and culture of the people whose language you are learning. They included a bunch of ethnographic interviewing ideas. . . ---- Hebrew Learning Blog Korean Learning Blog "The key to success is making a million mistakes. . now let's make as many as fast as we can!" Edited by Anno on 27 November 2011 at 9:02pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Anno Triglot Newbie Israel acquiringkorean.word Joined 5627 days ago 29 posts - 41 votes Speaks: English, Korean, Dutch Studies: Turkish, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, French | Message 7 of 9 22 January 2013 at 2:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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The Growing Participator Approach
website has updated a lot of their articles, and included a bunch of new ones as well. There seem to be a new list of resources. This includes new 5 and 6 phase guides (before it was just one guide) as well as a couple rather interesting articles on colloquial arabic versus MSA. Teaching colloquial Arabic and MSA Thoughts on Arabic Diglossia from GP perspective Edited by Anno on 22 January 2013 at 2:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5530 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 8 of 9 22 January 2013 at 2:55pm | IP Logged | ||
Note that if this is originally inspired by SIL, then they may not have had access to more efficient strategies. One of the goals of SIL was to translate the Bible into as many languages as possible to support Christian missionary work. In some cases, this meant inventing a whole new writing system and teaching native speakers to read. And SIL is one the world's authorities on incredibly obscure languages, to the extent that linguists and international standards bodies rely heavily on their catalog of languages. If you have no access to dictionaries, grammars or native texts, then you're going to need to rely heavily on one-on-one interaction. Now, if you're dealing with an actual written language that has courses, reference books and bilingual texts, there are a lot of ways to bootstrap quickly up to A2 or so, and not all of them require full-time access to an incredibly sympathetic native speaker. 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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