Andy_Liu Triglot Senior Member Hong Kong leibby.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6788 days ago 255 posts - 257 votes Speaks: Mandarin, Cantonese*, EnglishC2 Studies: French
| Message 9 of 143 17 August 2006 at 12:22pm | IP Logged |
delectric wrote:
I find Chinese quite logical now. Especially the writing at least it seems so neat and nicely packaged compared to a language like English with so many spelling exceptions. Then again I don't know if neat = more logical. |
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But there are more and more redundant expressions. I really hate extra "de" 's, extra "because", "based on" or "therefore" words... "one" or "a" is also overused as some kind of literal translation from English.
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surfingnirvana Newbie United States Joined 6826 days ago 37 posts - 45 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Turkish, Japanese, Armenian
| Message 10 of 143 20 August 2006 at 12:37am | IP Logged |
I agree with the previous statement in relation to Turkish.
I have begun studying it and, while vastly different from any language I've studied before, it is extremely logical and has few exceptions. There is only one irregular noun in the whole language(su, water), and no irregular verbs! Vowel harmony is easily mastered, and plurality is formed by just a ler or lar!
And it sounds great too ;)
-Alex
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HyeLezûn Bilingual Diglot Newbie United States Joined 6685 days ago 33 posts - 41 votes Speaks: English*, Armenian* Studies: French
| Message 11 of 143 20 August 2006 at 11:48pm | IP Logged |
Although I think English is an illogical language, I think French has to take the cake for a language that isn't logical. The two mute H's, one allowing for liasons and contractions and the other not allowing for them...is just silly. Also, the "T-inversions," like when "il y a" become "y a-t-il." I think those are so funny.
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Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7158 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish
| Message 12 of 143 21 August 2006 at 12:09am | IP Logged |
On a side note and taking a cue from HyeLez, the most illogical languages for me are a tie between English and French. German is also not far behind because of the rather arbitrary assignment of nouns' gender (as in French.)
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hagen Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6962 days ago 171 posts - 179 votes 6 sounds Speaks: German*, English, Mandarin Studies: Korean
| Message 13 of 143 21 August 2006 at 1:48am | IP Logged |
Andy_Liu wrote:
But there are more and more redundant expressions. I really hate extra "de" 's, extra "because", "based on" or "therefore" words... "one" or "a" is also overused as some kind of literal translation from English. |
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Well, some redundancy can make languages a lot easier to understand. For a counter example see Clssical Chinese...
But I think these things are mostly a matter of style. When you're closer to the spoken form of a language (e.g. in informal writing) the redundancies of spoken language will just creep in.
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Michael Diglot Newbie Czech Republic Joined 6661 days ago 9 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Czech*, EnglishB2 Studies: Latin
| Message 14 of 143 02 September 2006 at 12:40pm | IP Logged |
I think the most logical language is Latin. It has clear gramatic rules and pronunciation.
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linguanima Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6720 days ago 114 posts - 123 votes 3 sounds Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Spanish, French Studies: Italian, Latin, German
| Message 15 of 143 03 September 2006 at 12:03am | IP Logged |
Michael wrote:
I think the most logical language is Latin. It has clear gramatic rules and pronunciation. |
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Latin?! Latin is not logical at all. The Roman were really funny: they had '-are' conjugation, '-ere' conjugation, '-ire' conjugation, fine. But why did they forge out a confusing, amgiguous 'short e' '-ere' conjugation, and with two cumbersome subdivisions, 'o' type and 'io' type? Personally I find that the most logical language is Turkish.
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Michael Diglot Newbie Czech Republic Joined 6661 days ago 9 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Czech*, EnglishB2 Studies: Latin
| Message 16 of 143 03 September 2006 at 2:37am | IP Logged |
linguanima wrote:
Michael wrote:
I think the most logical language is Latin. It has clear gramatic rules and pronunciation. |
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Latin?! Latin is not logical at all. The Roman were really funny: they had '-are' conjugation, '-ere' conjugation, '-ire' conjugation, fine. But why did they forge out a confusing, amgiguous 'short e' '-ere' conjugation, and with two cumbersome subdivisions, 'o' type and 'io' type? Personally I find that the most logical language is Turkish. |
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I do not know Turkoish, but Latin is the most logical language, than i learned.
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