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| glodalica Triglot Newbie Croatia Joined 4061 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Speaks: Croatian*, EnglishC2, French | Message 9 of 14 07 April 2014 at 1:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
ok, that is clear, but what confuses me is this:
i'll try to explain in french, just to emphasize the nuance that confuses me (sorry for the lack of accents, i have a croatian keyboard and it takes me too much time to write them): la place / le lieu d'ou la photo est prise est un "point de vue" lui-meme, duquel j'ai une vue sur (*) une autre ile / les alentours, paysage, etc. donc, c'est un point de vue sur (donc "quand je suis la-bas") lequel j'ai une vue. il me semble plus precis de dire, parlant de *, "donnant/e" au lieu de dire "sur", ou au moins pour le preciser, de dire "donnant/e sur". evidamment, ca marche s'il s'agit du langage parle, mais ca m'interesse disons au niveau soutenu. Edited by glodalica on 07 April 2014 at 1:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| akkadboy Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5409 days ago 264 posts - 497 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Yiddish Studies: Latin, Ancient Egyptian, Welsh | Message 10 of 14 07 April 2014 at 3:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Well, that's just how it works, sorry if it's confusing :-)
It may help to remember that "sur" does not always imply static location but is also used to mark direction. As the TILF puts it
Various examples follow that you might find useful, "tirer sur quelqu'un" (to shoot at someone), "avoir une chambre avec vue sur la mer" (to have a room with sea view), etc. TILF, "sur" Edited by akkadboy on 07 April 2014 at 3:05pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| glodalica Triglot Newbie Croatia Joined 4061 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Speaks: Croatian*, EnglishC2, French | Message 11 of 14 07 April 2014 at 3:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
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excellent, thank you for your help and explanations :) it's much more clear now.
btw, i've been learning and studying french for almost 23 years (i've never actually lived there; only visited paris "as a tourist" for a week or so). it took me ~10 years to really start speaking it.. i work with french tourists, everybody is "amazed" by my fluency, pronunciation, and how little mistakes i make when speaking etc; but i think i'll never master all the expressions, different preposition meanings/usage and similar.
there, a good example of my lack of knowledge. for me it would come naturally to say "tirer a quelqu'un"... i comprehend maybe 80% when "older" people speak between themselves, without so much expressions, and maybe 60% when "younger" people speak. it isn't a problem of the speed (which is a common problem for non-native french speakers when trying to understand all the sounds produced), but essentially of expressions that i don't understand as well as some cultural references, regardless if contemporary or not. but well, the learning continues :) thank you once again! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| akkadboy Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5409 days ago 264 posts - 497 votes Speaks: French*, English, Yiddish Studies: Latin, Ancient Egyptian, Welsh | Message 12 of 14 08 April 2014 at 8:03am | IP Logged | |||||
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You're welcome, I'm glad it helped !
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| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5431 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 13 of 14 09 April 2014 at 10:49am | IP Logged | |||||
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To add to the excellent advice given by akkadboy, I would add that in contemporary French, especially from France,
but not from Quebec, sur is often used instead of vers or à. You'll hear things like: Il va sur Paris J'habite sur Montréal Edited by s_allard on 09 April 2014 at 10:04pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4666 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 14 of 14 24 April 2014 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's interesting, I haven't heard this much. I'll be on the lookout for it. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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