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starst
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 Message 9 of 18
28 June 2010 at 6:45am | IP Logged 
Levi wrote:
Two of my favorite podcasts are the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe (a podcast about science and critical thinking) and Astronomy Cast (a podcast about astronomy, of course). If you enjoy science, I would highly recommend those two. Both shows do deal with "high-brow" intellectual topics (so lots of good vocabulary to be learned), but they do it in the context of a free, casual conversation.


Thanks! I'll have a try with Skeptics' Guide to the Universe. Astronomy is not my favorite :P
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Teango
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 Message 10 of 18
28 June 2010 at 11:53am | IP Logged 
I think the very best way forward is to live and work with native English speakers. Grounding what you know through massive exposure alongside frequent interaction is the key, and if you can do this as a by-product of your daily routine, then you'll make considerable gains quickly.

Variety is also important, so you can learn to adapt quickly to the veritable melting pot of accents, styles and other variations out there. Business and technical articles are good of course, but if you really want to expand your command of English, then you'll also need to diversify your resources.

As you live in Tokyo, I'm well aware that practising speaking and listening in English could prove rather difficult. It also depends upon how much time you can spare. It's an interesting challenge, as most non-Japanese people usually seek out ways to to improve their Japanese immersion whilst living in Japan, rather than another language.

The only thing I can suggest is to try and locate more English speakers to practise with, with a view to making lots of English-speaking friends. This is much easier if you live in a shared apartment block with plenty of friendly gaijin, or land a job in an international English-speaking company. You could even make a few extra Yen as an English-speaking tour guide at the weekend, just as a friend of mine did recently. I guess it's going to take a little bit of creativity, and I wish you luck.

Here are a few more tips to help you on your way with the rest:

- Learn to love English literature, collect the classics, and read, read, read...

- Try out listening and reading (simultaneously) using good quality audiobooks.

- Listen to plenty of English music and podcasts in the background during daily transit.

- Turn off subtitles whilst watching English films.

- Start writing short stories or at least an amusing journal about life in Tokyo.


Edited by Teango on 28 June 2010 at 11:56am

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starst
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 Message 11 of 18
29 June 2010 at 4:50am | IP Logged 
johntm93 wrote:

If you want to sound like a professor, then I'd say listen to Levi. Listen to and read things from science and English professors and read classic English literature.
What subjects are you interested in?


Thank you for the encouragement, johntm93 :)

My most desirable materials are technical papers written in a relatively light way. Popular science books then?

For classic literature, I'm a Jane Austen fan, but the vocabulary in her work is not that close to practical use...

Edited by starst on 29 June 2010 at 6:12am

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starst
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 Message 12 of 18
29 June 2010 at 6:11am | IP Logged 
Teango wrote:
It's an interesting challenge, as most non-Japanese people usually seek out ways to to improve their Japanese immersion whilst living in Japan, rather than another language.


Well, you are right, it's indeed may not a wise idea to distract from Japanese while one is in Japan. I guess I'm a bit wanderlust with languages :( Anyway, keep learning a language without staying in the corresponding environment is actually more common. I'd like to take this challenge :) Thanks for the advice!
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johntm93
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 Message 13 of 18
29 June 2010 at 8:42pm | IP Logged 
starst wrote:
johntm93 wrote:

If you want to sound like a professor, then I'd say listen to Levi. Listen to and read things from science and English professors and read classic English literature.
What subjects are you interested in?


Thank you for the encouragement, johntm93 :)

My most desirable materials are technical papers written in a relatively light way. Popular science books then?

For classic literature, I'm a Jane Austen fan, but the vocabulary in her work is not that close to practical use...
http://www.crypto.com/papers/
Here's a site with some technical papers, I don't know how much it'll help though.
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Piotr1981
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 Message 14 of 18
28 July 2010 at 6:17pm | IP Logged 
Hi. I guess my problem is similar to the one starst described. I achieved a good level of fluency and I read English texts daily, write them, translate them and watch films in the language (although I do the latter on fairly irregular basis). My main problem is that I have no-one to talk to and I think that text conversations are not enough to keep my spoken English at a decent level. That's why I thnk I need some strategical tips as well.
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johntm93
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 Message 15 of 18
28 July 2010 at 6:41pm | IP Logged 
Piotr1981 wrote:
Hi. I guess my problem is similar to the one starst described. I achieved a good level of fluency and I read English texts daily, write them, translate them and watch films in the language (although I do the latter on fairly irregular basis). My main problem is that I have no-one to talk to and I think that text conversations are not enough to keep my spoken English at a decent level. That's why I thnk I need some strategical tips as well.
If you can, travel to an Anglophone country. If not, try and find English speakers in Poland or use Skype to talk to them. You can add me if you want, my Skype ID is johntm93, but I don't know when I'll be able to talk.
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Piotr1981
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 Message 16 of 18
28 July 2010 at 6:53pm | IP Logged 
Thanks for help, johntm93

By the way, earlier in this thread someone has recommended lang-8. I've been using it on a daily basis for about 4 months and while I feel that I have greatly imporoved my knowledge of Spanish and Italian, I'm not entirely convinced it's feasible for English advanced learners (or English learners at any level, at that). The problem is, there is quite a lot of uncorrected posts in this language. There seems to be some problem but whether it is about too many posts written in English or rather about too few English-speaking natives willing to correct them, I cannot say.

Edited by Piotr1981 on 28 July 2010 at 6:55pm



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