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| Supremor Diglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5925 days ago 6 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian, Polish | Message 9 of 16 09 August 2010 at 12:18pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
It's nice to try and sound french, but there are simply words and phrases that sound "off" if you are not a native speaker. There was a discussion about swearing on the forum a while back which pointed out the same thing. You have to be very careful in using slang, swearing and rare words in order that people are sure you understand the nuances of the word. Otherwise, it is easy to sound as if you are using words out of context. It may be that you understand very well the precise effect you want to get out of the word, but the natural reaction of a native speaker will be to doubt that. Many French people do just fine never using piger, so it is hardly essential vocabulary for a learner, and the verb comprendre is a more widely accepted and flexible(as in it can be used in a range of registers) word. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| WANNABEAFREAK Diglot Senior Member Hong Kong cantonese.hk Joined 6829 days ago 144 posts - 185 votes  1 sounds Speaks: English*, Cantonese Studies: French | Message 10 of 16 09 August 2010 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Thanks for the feedback :) * I tried to say L'Australie. * I don't use conversations. I listen to everything on lingq... bookish, conversations - you name it, my problem is that I don't speak because I don't know any Frenchies. * Regarding the pronunciation of the words, I know I seem to do an increasing intonation at the end of each sentence, which I think its due to listening to Steve Kaufmann do the same thing in his podcasts for which I listen over and over. * I think I had some of these correct and now some of them wrong. If I use your pronunciation guide below: donner: do-nner not donn-er - Mine sounds the same as this MP3 (I think) http://vaassl1.acapela-group.com/MESSAGES/015111102116105115 115105109111095101118097108/sounds/76817946_c384bc56b3432.mp 3 radio: radYO not rad-EE-O - the mp3 matches rad-ee-o http://vaassl1.acapela-group.com/MESSAGES/015111102116105115 115105109111095101118097108/sounds/76819597_c384c24466523.mp 3 francais: francÈ not francÉY - Yep - I said it like a typical English speaker :( écoute: Écoute not Ècoute - doh. --- I guess I'll get these fixed with more attention to what I'm hearing. Right now I'm trying to learn as many words as I can. Edited by WANNABEAFREAK on 09 August 2010 at 3:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| WANNABEAFREAK Diglot Senior Member Hong Kong cantonese.hk Joined 6829 days ago 144 posts - 185 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, Cantonese Studies: French | Message 11 of 16 09 August 2010 at 12:51pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I get your point. I guess I would feel like "what the" if I heard a Chinese guy say "G'day Mate" or kinda like hearing an Indian saying "Wad up dude?" Thanks 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5383 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 12 of 16 09 August 2010 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
To me, there is nothing wrong with a non-native using "piger" (other than the fact that we don't use it in Québec ;), except that this was not the right register or appropriate context to use it in. Wrong usage, that's all. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Spiderkat Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5814 days ago 175 posts - 248 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Russian | Message 13 of 16 09 August 2010 at 5:55pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
It's not really about who uses this word but when and to whom. Wrong usage, that's all. You may hear anything (slang, verlan, offensive language, etc.) on TV in general or over the Internet but it doesn't mean you have to speak exactly like them all the time to anyone. To be safe just use a neutral register when you're addressing to people who don't know. Then you may switch register according to the context and interlocutors. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| valentine Newbie Indonesia Joined 5222 days ago 4 posts - 5 votes Speaks: Indonesian* Studies: English | Message 14 of 16 10 August 2010 at 8:55pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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based on my experience learning french, this language was sooo hard to learn. I listened
anggun's song, and i read the lyrics, i couldn't hear even just ONE word. and the feminine and masculine were make me sick. how did the way to listen the french? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Nida Diglot Newbie France Joined 5222 days ago 5 posts - 5 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 15 of 16 11 August 2010 at 12:01am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Oh I heard you recording uploaded on the first post.
and seriously, I really think it's GOOD! Even more if you learn only since January which it's not a really long laps of time! It's funny and I don't know why but your accent and your way of talking remind me my Korean friends. I wouldn't be able to explain why and how! But anyway, you're very understandable. If you were to go in France, I think you would have no problem to talk with French, to do things by your own. The only advices I can give would be that: -You use "Je ne sais pas" a lot. Many of my foreigner friends do use this sentences and French people also use it but not that much. - and as the previous people said in the topic, there is just "piger" which sounds...weird in the file. Because of the context, what you were saying was neutral and then ..."piger" ...which is kind of familiar. For my part, I never use this word because it sounds abrupt most of the time. If someone was telling me "Tu piges?" I would answer. "Tu peux me parler autrement?" But while listening, it was the only vocabulary a bit off. It's still good to know it. =) - for the accent in general, I'm sure you will improve! ^^ 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5562 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 16 of 16 11 August 2010 at 1:45pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I was wondering why you weren't getting more responses, but then I remembered all the French are on holiday. You should try again after "la rentrée".
You can't really blame Steve Kaufmann for your rising intonation then. radio: all I can add really, is that according to the dictionary, it's "radyo" (or rather "radjo" in IPA alphabet). There's actually very little difference. When you say "ee-o" you automatically insert a "y" sound between the two vowels, and because in standard French all syllables must be equal length, it gets kind of compressed to "yo". (Also "viens" -> "vya(n)" he said, opening another can of worms). This really is getting over the top, but if you open that example sound in "Audacity", you can see that the two syllables are almost exactly the same length, while in your own speech, the second syllable is 1 and 1/2 times longer than the first! Although I think in canadian, they do tend to pronounce it more like you, so maybe you can blame Steve Kaufmann for that instead. But you really shouldn't worry too much about the accent, as it seems to be taking care of itself. Edited by schoenewaelder on 11 August 2010 at 1:49pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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