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| furrykef Senior Member United States furrykef.com/ Joined 6474 days ago 681 posts - 862 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Latin, Italian | Message 9 of 12 15 August 2010 at 2:03pm | IP Logged | ||
You mean "velle". ;) Simonov's explanation is the only possibility that makes any sense to me. If we take "utrum" as "whether", then "vīs" is a noun is problematic (doesn't agree with "aeternum"), and is also problematic as second-person of "velle", because the construction "utrum X an Y" ("whether X or Y") requires the subjunctive (as it's an indirect question). However, if "utrum" can pose a direct question, as simonov proposes, then the subjunctive is not needed and it all makes sense. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| mattewos24R16 Pentaglot Newbie Italy Joined 6556 days ago 28 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Italian*, Modern Hebrew, EnglishC2, German, Arabic (classical) | Message 10 of 12 16 August 2010 at 11:50am | IP Logged | ||
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Hi everybody! First of all, I think the phrase should not be necessarily taken as a
direct question, since there is no question mark at the end. Secondly, one could read the phrase as "utrumvis aeternum", changing the spelling as I suggested a few years ago. "Utrumvis aeternum" seems more intelligible, at least to me. The phrase then should mean "either thing (is) eternal" "(being) whichever of the two eternal" (cf. "utervis, utravis, utrumvis" in the Oxford Latin Dictionary on page 2117). I took another look at the picture, and, yes, it clearly shows another "arrangement" of the words, but they might have been displayed in this way only in order to cover more space on the upper part of the circle... it's just a guess... did anybody ask about the phrase on a specific forum for Latin? Matteo 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| TEM Newbie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5659 days ago 8 posts - 10 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Latin | Message 11 of 12 16 August 2010 at 7:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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I agree with it being a form of "velle." Perhaps it would be translated as something along the lines of:
"...or do you wish for eternity?" "...or is it eternity you want?" "...or do do you want eternity?" The implication would be for the visitor to consider that perhaps he is not religiously devoted enough. Maybe you are doing well in this world, but are you forgetting heaven? Perhaps you have a pleasant and comfortable material-temporal existence. Is that enough for you? "....or do you want eternity?" Perhaps however, since there is no question mark, it is intended as a sort of quasi-ultimatum. "...or you want eternity;" the implication being "either you want something non-religious (whether money, licentiousness, sin etc.) or you want eternity (through religion). Just my two cents. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| TEM Newbie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5659 days ago 8 posts - 10 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Latin | Message 12 of 12 16 August 2010 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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Actually now that I think about it the "ultimatum," doesn't make sense
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