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| ReneeMona Diglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5337 days ago 864 posts - 1274 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 9 of 21 14 July 2010 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The Frisians live in Friesland and Groningen which are both provinces of the Netherlands, therefore they are Dutch. Calling them Hollanders would be incorrect but that's not what stelingo did. Like stelingo, I also doubt that Frisians speak English with Dutchmen from other provinces. I know and have met plenty of Frisians and all of them spoke perfect Dutch. I found this article about the status of Frisian. For those who don't understand Dutch; Friesland has been recognised by the Dutch government as a bilingual province for decades and the language has been taught in schools since 1980. Out of the 600,000 inhabitants of Friesland, 350,000 claim Frisian is their native language and an additional 100,000 speak it as a second language. It's also spoken by 3,000 people in Groningen. According to a 1994 survey, 94% of the Frisian population can understand Frisian, 74% can speak it, 65% can read it and 17% can write it. Most Frisian speakers live in rural areas. Edited by ReneeMona on 15 July 2010 at 3:36pm 8 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6274 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 10 of 21 15 July 2010 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Frisians in the Netherlands speak standard Dutch as well as Frisian. Perhaps there are fanatical Frisian nationalists who eschew any use of Dutch and speak English instead, but I very much doubt it.
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| Romanist Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5284 days ago 261 posts - 366 votes Studies: Italian | Message 11 of 21 15 July 2010 at 4:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Is there any great difference between Plattdeutsch and Frisian?
And can speakers of Plattdeutsch and Dutch communicate without resorting to English or German? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ChristopherB Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 6318 days ago 851 posts - 1074 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, German, French | Message 12 of 21 15 July 2010 at 5:36pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I believe they're quite different. Obviously and clearly related, but they would most likely appear as an impenetrable dialect of sorts, not understandable without some actual study.
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| tracker465 Senior Member United States Joined 5354 days ago 355 posts - 496 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 13 of 21 15 July 2010 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes they are different. Often when I speak from Germans of the north, they tell me that "yeah so and so speaks Frisian" but in reality they are talking about Plattdeutsch. Here is a nice article written by a former professor of my university, which has a comparision of words between English, Frisian (Dutch dialect I assume), Dutch and German. http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/evolenglish.html In an email once he told me that the different Frisian dialects were not so mutually unintelligible as I had heard, but I'm not sure on the matter. edit: When I say (Dutch dialect I assume) after Frisian, I am not being a bit clear I think. I meant to say "the dialect of Frisian spoken in the Netherlands, as opposed to the dialects spoken in Germany" though the way it is worded, it sounds as though I am referring to Frisian as a Dutch dialect, which is not correct. Edited by tracker465 on 15 July 2010 at 9:24pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Romanist Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5284 days ago 261 posts - 366 votes Studies: Italian | Message 14 of 21 15 July 2010 at 8:51pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That is a very interesting link. Thanks very much, Tracker465 ;-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Tyr Senior Member Sweden Joined 5784 days ago 316 posts - 384 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish | Message 15 of 21 16 July 2010 at 10:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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350,000 natives huh...sounds good.
Do they have TV channels and that? "94% of the Frisian population can understand Frisian, 74% can speak it, 65% can read it and 17% can write it" sounds very weird to me though. I find languages generally loads easier to read than understand spoken. And writing isn't THAT much harder unless it means perfectly. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6441 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 16 of 21 17 July 2010 at 1:33am | IP Logged | ||||||||
There are plenty of people who natively speak a language, or who orally understand it from their childhood environments, but who haven't seen it written enough to be/feel literate in it. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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