cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5837 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian
| Message 17 of 21 17 July 2010 at 2:06am | IP Logged |
It's clearly one of these languages that doesn't have the brightest future ahead of it.
Nobody speaks only Frisian - I'm no expert but I think it's a safe bet that all Frisian speakers also speak Dutch (or German). It's probably not a language that you could fully function in, just like several other minority languages that exist inside European nations. Some survive through artificial breathing and some are slowly dying a natural death.
The number of languages spoken in Europe is constantly declining and Frisian is a good current example, but there are many, many more. Draw your own conclusions on where that trend is leading....
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Irchard Tetraglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5248 days ago 9 posts - 16 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Dutch, French
| Message 18 of 21 20 July 2010 at 12:40am | IP Logged |
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350,000 natives huh...sounds good.
Do they have TV channels and that?
"94% of the Frisian population can understand Frisian, 74% can speak it, 65% can read it and 17% can write it" sounds very weird to me though. I find languages generally loads easier to read than understand spoken. And writing isn't THAT much harder unless it means perfectly. |
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When I was living in Holland and first tried to make an effort to immerse myself in Dutch, I managed to watch an entire afternoon of Frisian TV, not knowing that I was watching the wrong language. I was put right when a Dutch friend came round and I asked him if he could tell me a little bit about what they were talking about and he just started laughing and said "I have no idea, it's not Dutch!"
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jez Diglot Newbie Netherlands Joined 6305 days ago 37 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: Spanish
| Message 19 of 21 23 July 2010 at 2:28am | IP Logged |
Now I know how weird it feels when someone who's not from your country claims to be an expert on the subject anyway.
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Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6010 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 20 of 21 23 July 2010 at 8:21am | IP Logged |
cordelia0507 wrote:
Nobody speaks only Frisian - I'm no expert but I think it's a safe bet that all Frisian speakers also speak Dutch (or German). It's probably not a language that you could fully function in, just like several other minority languages that exist inside European nations. Some survive through artificial breathing and some are slowly dying a natural death. |
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On the other hand, most of them are only in that situation through forceful measures taken by their governments. Banning the teaching and use of the local language in favour of the national one, and physically punishing schoolkids for using even a single word of their language in the playground can take a language that is perfectly capable of surviving and developing and kill it. Another language killer is when people refuse to accept that the language even exists....
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Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6767 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek
| Message 21 of 21 23 July 2010 at 8:37am | IP Logged |
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On the other hand, most of them are only in that situation through forceful measures taken by their
governments. Banning the teaching and use of the local language in favour of the national one, and physically
punishing schoolkids for using even a single word of their language in the playground can take a language that is
perfectly capable of surviving and developing and kill it. Another language killer is when people refuse to accept that
the language even exists.... |
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Another factor is when the government makes itself the most important employer and service provider in rural
areas that preserve minority languages, and requires the use of the official national language. This was one of the
main factors that forced people in Irish-speaking parts of Ireland to speak English instead after the Republic of
Ireland was formed.
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