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| TheGBiBanana Newbie United States Joined 5307 days ago 16 posts - 16 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Arabic (classical), Arabic (Iraqi), Arabic (Written) | Message 1 of 10 15 July 2010 at 2:55am | IP Logged | ||
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I've recently aquired an Arabic newspaper and to my suprise there are a bunch of letter combonations that I can not figure out for the life of me, the only ones I figured out were the lam/mim on top of a jaa and such but there are some weird combonations in this paper. I googled it until I couldn't anymore and didn't find any explanations on what I'm looking at. Anybody have any idea what I'm talking about or where I can find some explanations? Edited by TheGBiBanana on 15 July 2010 at 2:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| pohaku Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5650 days ago 192 posts - 367 votes  Speaks: English*, Persian Studies: Arabic (classical), French, German, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 2 of 10 15 July 2010 at 3:12am | IP Logged | ||
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I don't know where to send you for an all-inclusive chart, but you might see a lam and a mim stacked in that order on top of a jim, a he stacked above a jim, or many other combinations. The mims can be small and hard to spot.
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| CaucusWolf Senior Member United States Joined 5271 days ago 191 posts - 234 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Arabic (Written), Japanese | Message 3 of 10 15 July 2010 at 4:04am | IP Logged | ||
I've noticed some odd writing too before on a sign on a random news station.(Dubai TV I think.) The ش and ث were upside down and it wasn't like the usual calligraphy it was written out in a straight line like normal and if in fact thats what it was supposed to be it seems very odd to me. If this happens a lot I'd be surprised if natives didn't get confused every once in a while. Arabic grammar can get confusing so writing letters upside down etc makes it that much harder to read and understand. Edited by CaucusWolf on 15 July 2010 at 4:05am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6469 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 4 of 10 15 July 2010 at 7:04am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm presently working through Langenscheidt's "Praktisches Lehrbuch Arabisch" and they
use these ligatures extensively to allow people to get used to them. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5319 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 5 of 10 15 July 2010 at 11:07am | IP Logged | ||
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You can find a list of all ligatures (and other Arabic characters) that can be used by modern typesetting software in the following Unicode Arabic PDF file, however, you'll eventually find out that only a handful of these are actually used.
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| Honest Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5317 days ago 89 posts - 92 votes Speaks: Arabic (Gulf)*, English | Message 6 of 10 15 July 2010 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | ||
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Al-Kitab seems the most helpful book when it comes to writing. Here is the link, I don't know if it is available online or not
http://www.amazon.com/Al-Kitaab-fii-Taallum-al-Arabiyya-Begi nning/dp/0878402918 Manybe you are talking about the spelling of الجـ الـج Both are correct, but sometimes it depends on the type of the calligraphy. The most famous two are: Naskh and Riqaa نسخ ورقعة 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Honest Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5317 days ago 89 posts - 92 votes Speaks: Arabic (Gulf)*, English | Message 7 of 10 15 July 2010 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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sorry, it didn't work out. I tried to make Lam comes on top of Jeem. It was fine in my computer but when I posted it it looked different.
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| Honest Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5317 days ago 89 posts - 92 votes Speaks: Arabic (Gulf)*, English | Message 8 of 10 15 July 2010 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've noticed some odd writing too before on a sign on a random news station.(Dubai TV I think.) The ش and ث were upside down and it wasn't like the usual calligraphy it was written out in a straight line like normal and if in fact thats what it was supposed to be it seems very odd to me. If this happens a lot I'd be surprised if natives didn't get confused every once in a while. Arabic grammar can get confusing so writing letters upside down etc makes it that much harder to read and understand.[/QUOTE] I've never seen ت and ش are written upside down! If you show me some, I may tell you. Or maybe it wasn't Arabic; Persian, perhaps!! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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