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kidshomestunner
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 Message 17 of 27
20 July 2010 at 3:49am | IP Logged 
Volte wrote:
Tyr wrote:
Volte wrote:

Hardly.

Thats it?
If you think something else is better say so, don't just say something I found to be one of the best language learning resources going isn't good.


It depends on what you're using Slime Forest for, I suppose. I found "Remembering the Kanji" to be much more effective for learning characters, for instance. I put quite a lot of hours into Slime Forest a few years ago, and learned almost nothing, though it seems to have changed somewhat in the last few years. If you're happy with it, great, but I've had uniformly poor results trying to learn characters from RPG drill games (Slime Forest isn't the only one I tried).

As for grammar, other posters have discussed it. Japanese grammar doesn't have the type of synthetic case system and verb morphology you find in Russian, German, or Spanish*, but it has plenty of intricacies.

* for Spanish, I only mean the verb morphology.


Just adding this for the sake of the OP: I think learning the kanji by Heisig is seriously over-rated on this forum. I like his articles on philosophy but I think that this one inparticular book is seriously over-rated on this forum. Just my two seni.

Edited by kidshomestunner on 20 July 2010 at 3:50am
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GREGORG4000
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 Message 18 of 27
20 July 2010 at 4:20am | IP Logged 
kidshomestunner wrote:

Just adding this for the sake of the OP: I think learning the kanji by Heisig is seriously over-rated on this forum. I like his articles on philosophy but I think that this one inparticular book is seriously over-rated on this forum. Just my two seni.

I've been working on it for about three days and am on 234. What do you suggest as an alternative/different method?
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Tyr
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 Message 19 of 27
20 July 2010 at 2:47pm | IP Logged 
Volte wrote:
Tyr wrote:
Volte wrote:

Hardly.

Thats it?
If you think something else is better say so, don't just say something I found to be one of the best language learning resources going isn't good.


It depends on what you're using Slime Forest for, I suppose. I found "Remembering the Kanji" to be much more effective for learning characters, for instance. I put quite a lot of hours into Slime Forest a few years ago, and learned almost nothing, though it seems to have changed somewhat in the last few years. If you're happy with it, great, but I've had uniformly poor results trying to learn characters from RPG drill games (Slime Forest isn't the only one I tried).

As for grammar, other posters have discussed it. Japanese grammar doesn't have the type of synthetic case system and verb morphology you find in Russian, German, or Spanish*, but it has plenty of intricacies.

* for Spanish, I only mean the verb morphology.


Which other games are there?
I think its a great learning method and I've never came across any others. Which is dissapointing as I'd like to.
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kidshomestunner
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Speaks: Japanese

 
 Message 20 of 27
20 July 2010 at 10:52pm | IP Logged 
GREGORG4000 wrote:
kidshomestunner wrote:

Just adding this for the sake of the OP: I think learning the kanji by Heisig is seriously over-rated on this forum. I like his articles on philosophy but I think that this one inparticular book is seriously over-rated on this forum. Just my two seni.

I've been working on it for about three days and am on 234. What do you suggest as an alternative/different method?


Use as many different methods and books as possible.

Don't just use one book.
Go to the library, get as many books as you can out.

Learn simple characters like one, two, three first as they look like what they represent.

Imagine squares turning into circles as explained in the book kanji wa musukasikunai

Study radicals. Radicals give clues to meaning and readings. Henshall outlines this in his book

Use linkword.

Use Vee David's Method Kanji Hybrid Method.

Your 学earning 進rogress will 決ecide the book’s 想oncept and 命estiny. In the 間eantime, I have 既lready
発eveloped a beta 版ersion of a KanjiHybrid software, that 自utomatically 変ransform　英nglish words into KanjiHybrids. Please 受ccept my 永ver-lasting 謝ratitude.

If we can 通ommunicate in KanjiHybrid 文ext such as 上bove, the 限imit is just one’s 創magination.

From my 窓indows by the 海cean,
Use Henshall's book(s)

Use James heisig's book as well as these methods
Don't just study the jouyou kanji.

Be an Alcoholic not a binge drinker: Study once every day for an hour, don't spend ten hours one day and no hours for the next five days.

Do use stuff like kanji gold

Don't rely on the jouyou kanji too much

DO look how radicals influence sounds and meanings and notice that kanji with a certain radical often have a certain reading and shade of meaning

Do make kanji cards for kanji that just don't stick and carry them everywhere so you can gaze at them

DO be consistent

Don't rely to much on the Japanese education grade system: I.E: don't learn grade one kanji then grade two etc.

Do learn kanji by radicals, ie all kanji with 言　見　as radicals etc.

Don't have kanji that you are afraid of, and decide that you WILL master 2000 kanji.

I am not saying ROTK is worthless I am just saying that I think it is over-rated on this forum.
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Lakkhamu
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 Message 21 of 27
22 July 2010 at 6:58pm | IP Logged 
Alright, I have questions about the Kanji. Is the book "Remembering the Kanji" useful? And how is handwritten kanjis? To write Japanese by hand, do I have to write each kanji?

Edited by Lakkhamu on 24 July 2010 at 8:49am
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kidshomestunner
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 Message 22 of 27
24 July 2010 at 2:25am | IP Logged 
Lakkhamu wrote:
Alright, I have questions about the Kanji. Is Remembering the Kanji useful? And how is handwritten kanjis? To write Japanese by hand, do I have to write each kanji?


If you learn how to write common stroke and radicals it gets easier.
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Lakkhamu
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 Message 23 of 27
24 July 2010 at 8:52am | IP Logged 
They look so tiny that it seems almost impossible to do so.
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Captain Haddock
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 Message 24 of 27
24 July 2010 at 11:18am | IP Logged 
Practice writing them big, using a brush if necessary. Eventually you will recognize the shape of the character even
in tiny print.


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