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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5554 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 1 of 14 01 May 2010 at 9:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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Izvinite chto ne po-russki, potomu chto ya esche ochen' ploho pishu.
I was talking to a Russian friend of mine in St Petersburg recently, who told me that there are reports on tv now of introducing new educational reforms that will effectively end full free secondary education in Russia. I couldn't find anything on Google or YouTube or in the papers on the subject, but I was able to find this article via Yandex. As far as I understood, only 3 subjects will be taught for free up till lunchtime, and any additional subjects after this will then require private payment. Now I find it all very hard to believe, as education is free throughout most of Europe and has a strong history in the former Soviet Union. I'd imagine people would be out in the streets in hoards protesting vehemently if this were indeed true. Does anyone know any more about this? Edited by Teango on 01 May 2010 at 9:05pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Kounotori Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 5342 days ago 136 posts - 264 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Russian Studies: Mandarin | Message 2 of 14 02 May 2010 at 9:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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Если это правда... Какое будущее ждет Россию?
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| Siberiano Tetraglot Senior Member Russian Federation one-giant-leap.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6491 days ago 465 posts - 696 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, ItalianC1, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Serbian | Message 3 of 14 09 May 2010 at 10:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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The reform is a disaster. The (lack of) people's reaction is also disastrous.
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| shkesper-5 Newbie Russian Federation Joined 5253 days ago 3 posts - 6 votes Studies: Russian* | Message 4 of 14 06 July 2010 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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Free education will still remain.
Another thing is that the number of new fee-paying schools will eventually grow. Бесплатное образование всё равно останется. Другое дело, что количество новых платных школ будет возрастать. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| novemberain Triglot Groupie Russian Federation Joined 5842 days ago 59 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC1, Italian Studies: Spanish, Portuguese | Message 5 of 14 06 July 2010 at 3:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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Like if it wasn't already for-pay? Thanks to extreme corruption of institutions related to higher education in Russia
since the 1990s, free higher education has been a myth now for more than ten years for 99% percent of students. Folks in power just decided to finally make large chunk of that pie legal and protect their revenue stream for years to come. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5836 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 6 of 14 07 July 2010 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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This extremely sad; quite shocking to hear.
Incredible that it would happen in Russia of all places, with its history of socialism. It would create a completely class-based education system, where a minority could pay for a guaranteed good education, and the rest would form a new un-educated underclass with very limited opportunities to rise above it. Agree that it's surprising Russian people do not protest. Is this what they scrapped the USSR for? Corruption, criminality, nepotism and now scrap free education! I like Russia a lot but some of the internal politics there, that people put up with is just unbelievable. England has a tiered education system in which a fairly mediocre student can be pushed through top private schools into a good university and secure future. There is a small group of state-run good schools, but the majority are bad, with students emerging in some cases without fundamental writing or science skills. Graduates of such schools have terrible grammar, prounounciation etc and are stigmatised; would not be able to get a professional job. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6701 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 7 of 14 07 July 2010 at 2:09pm | IP Logged | ||
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I didn't know about the proposed 'reforms' in Russia, but if they mean that all secondary education will be based on expensive tuition fees etc. then that will of course hit gifted, but poor students hard, while children of rich parents actually may get an advantage by 1) having less competition, 2) getting their exams easier because the schools need the money.
In Denmark higher education is mostly free, but the high schools and universities are paid by the state according to the number of students that get through their studies with an exam ... and consequently censors and teachers are being gently nudged to lower their standards in order to get more students through the exams. And this happens in a situation where at least the natural sciences have to accept students who hardly can spell their own name because the youngsters prefer something more social or artistic (or studies with better chances of a high salary). Luckily we don't have too much of a division between 'good' and 'less good' universities, but such criteria are becoming more and more important for parents when they choose primary and high schools for their offspring. Actually a number of prominent politicians have been criticised for putting their own children in private schools while their parties were asking people to support the public school system. EDIT 1: and of course I should have written this in Russian (we were in the Russian subforum), but I don't have my dictionaries here so I would make too many errors EDIT 2: hehe, I found the tiny Russian Pocket Dictionary from Berlitz in a drawer Я не знал о предполагаемых "реформ" в России, но, если они пропразумевают это, что все среднее образование будет основываться на дорогие платы за обучение, это конечно будет ударить одаренных, но бедных студентов жестко, а дети богатых родителей на самом деле может иметь преимущество, потому что 1) для них меньше конкуренция, 2) получение экзамены легче, потому что школы нуждаются в деньгах. В Дании высшего образования в основном бесплатно, но школы и университеты получают деньги от правительства в соответствии с количеством студентов, которые получают свой экзамен ... и следовательно, цензоров и учителей - под давлением за снизить свои стандарты для того, чтобы получить больше студентов через экзамены. И это происходит в ситуации, где по крайней мере естественные науки принимать студентов, которые едва ли заклинание от своего имени, потому что молодежь предпочитают социальных и художественных науки (или исследования с больше шансов на высокую заработную плату). К счастью, мы не заметили много разделения между 'добром' и 'менее хороших' университетов, но такие критерии становятся все более важными для родителей при выборе школы и средные школы для своего потомства. Действительно, ряд видных политиков подвергались критике за сдачи своих детей в частные школы, а в то время их партии призывает граждан поддержать системы государственных школ. Теперь у меня опять есть чистая совесть! Edited by Iversen on 07 July 2010 at 3:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7013 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 8 of 14 07 July 2010 at 2:32pm | IP Logged | ||
Although it's not always the fault of the school... P.S. Iversen is right, we should be writing this in Russian. After all the messages I've posted in the Spanish sub-forum about people not writing in Spanish, it's not very fair not to do the same here. That's why I'm moving this thread. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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