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| canada38 Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5495 days ago 304 posts - 417 votes  Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, Japanese | Message 1 of 8 01 May 2010 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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This title sounds vague, but I honestly didn't know what else to call it.
We all known the history that produced the bastard language English that we have today. A good mix of Anglo-Saxon and Old Norse, then some Norman French, add in some more French and then some Latin and Greek for good measure... and well look at what was created. The exact history doesn't matter so much for the purpose of this discussion, but we can say that many common worlds are Germanic in origin, many worlds for the finer things in life are of French origin, and of course technical worlds are mostly Latin (with some Greek). Now, excuse me if I am just rambling about a ridiculous idea. Of course none of this happened in history, but the following discussion might hold some academic merit. In summary, English = "Old North Germanic"(common) + French(rich) + Latin(learned) Suppose however, that they spoke Italian or Spanish in France; or perhaps another Germanic tongue was brought to England. Of course these mixtures sound silly, but in theory they are all equivalent ingredients to make a parallel language. Does anyone know of any academic study that has proposed what such a mix may have looked like? Disclaimer: Please don't inform the language police about this theory. In no way am I trying to complicate the world any more than English has already done. Edited by canada38 on 01 May 2010 at 9:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| minus273 Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5765 days ago 288 posts - 346 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Ancient Greek, Tibetan | Message 2 of 8 02 May 2010 at 1:23am | IP Logged | |||||
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Note that French took its modern form, in a great part, owing to profound Germanic influences.
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| Smart Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5339 days ago 352 posts - 398 votes Speaks: Spanish, English*, Latin, French Studies: German | Message 3 of 8 02 May 2010 at 2:14am | IP Logged | |||||
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Gringish (more Spanish influenced) would be interesting to see.
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| Faim de Siècle Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5807 days ago 36 posts - 39 votes Speaks: English*, French | Message 4 of 8 02 May 2010 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
No, not quite. If you're truly interested in such a topic, read the many pages of: http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t11931-0.htm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Mafouz Diglot Groupie Spain Joined 5325 days ago 56 posts - 64 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: German, Japanese, French | Message 5 of 8 02 May 2010 at 10:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
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By "romantic" you mean romance? Although the idea is indeed romantic
In the side of the french influence, I have the idea that it is completely lexical, not morphological and almost no phonetic. Am I correct? In this case, English with Spanish or Italian influence would sound the same, with some words changed. In my understanding the sintaxis of English is totally Germanic -maybe simplified from its cousins. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| canada38 Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5495 days ago 304 posts - 417 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, Japanese | Message 6 of 8 03 May 2010 at 12:21am | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, excuse the incorrect word. I was typing rather quickly whilst eating and home from work for a lunch break. Although I suppose there is a pun there eh? I suppose you're right about that. At first I thought that Italian or Spanish influence, rather than French, would have naturally made English words such that they are more frequently pronounced as they are written. (not to be confused with an artificial spelling reform) Also, I assumed that it would have given a greater stress to the pronunciation of vowels. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Mafouz Diglot Groupie Spain Joined 5325 days ago 56 posts - 64 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: German, Japanese, French | Message 7 of 8 03 May 2010 at 9:10am | IP Logged | |||||
Pardon for the pun, it was with good will ;) I think you are right. Anyway, I have the sensation that English has somethig paticular into its building: it is spoken as with hits. I am not sure that the romance concepton of what a syllabe is works exactly the same in English as in other languages. My personal proof is my own total imposibility to pronounce or emphasize correctly words with more than two syllabes in English, although the quantity of irregular accentuation may help this. In German, on the contrary, I can work out accentuation without problems. I am explaining myself as a closed book (other pun, this time against myself). Maybe somebody with more knowledge of historical English linguistics can explain were the phonetic system comes from. And specifically were the vowels come from. Edited for punctuation marks. Edited by Mafouz on 03 May 2010 at 9:11am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ygangerg Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5318 days ago 100 posts - 140 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Arabic (Written), Mandarin, French Studies: German | Message 8 of 8 05 May 2010 at 10:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The phonological system of English has been affected in some ways by French. I'm almost certain it's where we got the post-alveolar fricative "zh" like in "leisure" "genre" and "mirage." Note that it's quite a rare phoneme in English and has no intuitive orthographical counterpart-- except maybe "zh" as I put before, in the tradition of "sh." I know someone named Zhana whose name begins with that sound.
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