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| healing332 Senior Member United States Joined 5620 days ago 164 posts - 211 votes  | Message 9 of 96 26 September 2009 at 1:09am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I agree with this post 100% ..I want total Swedish fluency in 10 months, I have studied so far 2 and a half months and am well on my way. Today I did my first 4 minute all Swedish conversation on the phone and was told by the Swede that she understood the whole conversation( yes i also did struggle a little at times in the conversation) A key factor is time(dedication) ..I do 3 hours a day..everyday of study 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| modestblues Newbie Bahamas Joined 5557 days ago 33 posts - 54 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 10 of 96 26 September 2009 at 1:14am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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In almost every area of our lives most of the limits we have are the limits we choose to accept. I think it's very possible to have native fluency in multiple languages.
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| healing332 Senior Member United States Joined 5620 days ago 164 posts - 211 votes | Message 11 of 96 26 September 2009 at 1:21am | IP Logged | ||||||||
..it is the interaction that you are forced to do in the target country that produces the results. Often we do not study or interact with the language in our native country and this is why people fail. You can do full immersion right in your home land How?..tv..radio..movies..readings..should be in the target language everyday. And you MUST produce speech "Output" daily to condition the brain to form the new words in your mouth and cement them to memory. Do not fill up on input without output(speak and write daily) Think of output as the vegetables that are good for you that gets left on the plate 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| barnesy Diglot Newbie Australia lingokite.com Joined 5541 days ago 3 posts - 2 votes Speaks: English*, French | Message 12 of 96 26 September 2009 at 4:57am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Going to the target Country is the best thing you can possibly do. I went to France last year, and came back able to understand everything and speak almost fluently.
Even though it's possible to simulate immersion at home, it's virtually impossible - the trick is to constantly speak in the foreign language, so you cease to translate from your mother tongue but rather simply think in the foreign language. It sounds hard, but it's definitely do-able with enough hard work. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6439 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 13 of 96 26 September 2009 at 5:18am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I have to strongly disagree with some of these points. I've gained the ability to understand "almost everything" in several languages. Only one of these has been through a long time in a region where the language is spoken - and this was the most slow and painful to acquire. To stop translating from English took a shift in mindset, not lots of speaking. With Italian, I stopped translating from English after I did some Assimil lessons and the different ways of expression between the two languages finally clicked. Years of speaking had left me with a lot of translations (.. and the ability to use them fluently because I'd practiced them so much, sometimes managing to make myself understood ...), not decent Italian. On the other hand, I immersed myself in Esperanto in my room for a few weeks running, started thinking in the language (and was disturbed a few times finding myself having to translate my thoughts into English, from Esperanto), and needed to actually speak it orally a handful of times before I was fluent after that, with little or no translation from English. Time in the target country is useful, and for some types of fine-tuning strikes me as irreplaceable - but it's not necessary for high comprehension or speaking without translation. All this said, perhaps those of us who haven't reached native fluency in a foreign language should stop cluttering this thread? 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Bruce Groupie United States Joined 6223 days ago 65 posts - 65 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French, German | Message 14 of 96 26 September 2009 at 6:54am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I didn't say it couldn't be done, just that it would be incredibly impressive. If that's your goal then go for it. I hope to get to near native fluency with Spanish one day. And maybe passive fluency in a few more languages. I'll be impressed enough with myself if I can manage that ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 6050 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 15 of 96 26 September 2009 at 7:43am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'm waiting for some concrete advice on how to reach native fluency (in every aspect), from those that have reached it. Just pure immersion? But I see members here with native fluency that live outside that language's country.
As Don Casteel says, it must be impossible without in country immersion. But once you have that, then what? I want to reach native fluency in Mandarin Chinese, this is my dream. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6011 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 16 of 96 26 September 2009 at 9:18am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The only people I've met who have learned English to native fluency (I couldn't judge in any other language!) have lived in an English-speaking country for several years and/or married a native speaker. That's not to say it's necessary, but it's definitely the most common path.
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