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global_gizzy
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 Message 49 of 72
08 April 2010 at 8:59pm | IP Logged 
Wishful thinking, I know, but I cant resist.

Arabic: All vowels ALL THE TIME!!
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dantalian
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 Message 50 of 72
08 April 2010 at 10:47pm | IP Logged 
unityandoutside wrote:


What I would like to see is consistent marking of ё.


This is unlikely to happen. There is an ever-growing tendency not to use ё in all books and documents. My tiny keyboard doesn't have it at all.
Btw, being invented by several geeks in 1784, ё is the most artificial letter in the Russian alphabet. It had led a dog's life until in 1942 Stalin reestablished its official status to raise patriotic feeling during World War II . Now ё is again used only in cases where natives can be confused. In other cases we substitute it with "e" in all written materials. Sorry, I understand your difficulties but can hardly imagine a ё renaissance in the foreseeable future.


Edited by dantalian on 08 April 2010 at 10:48pm
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 Message 51 of 72
08 April 2010 at 10:53pm | IP Logged 
A lot of people who are in the process of learning japanese wish that the kanji never existed I must disagree though I see the kanji as an obstacle that only the worthy amongst us will be able to tackle. I only know around 800 at the moment but I dream of the day when every single squiggle will make sense, The day I master the joyo list I will be a momentous occasion
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Gusutafu
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 Message 52 of 72
08 April 2010 at 11:01pm | IP Logged 
unityandoutside wrote:


What I would like to see is consistent marking of ё.


This has very little practical significance.

I reject all simplifying reforms, but I must remind you that there are already lots of cases where etymologically related forms that are pronounced differently also are spelled differently. For example, the change of O to A in imperfectivisation of prefixed verbs: prixodit', prixAzhivat'. Replaing unstressed O's with A's or shwas would just be taking this a step further.

Anyway, I I were Czar I would immediately reinstate not only Yat but the Yuses, especially Large Yus. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yus). As a classicist, I would have to insist that Θ and Φ are properly separated, if not in speech at least in writing. Hence, I would rehabilitate Ѳ!


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 Message 53 of 72
08 April 2010 at 11:53pm | IP Logged 
Minlawc wrote:
I would like a regularized spelling of English.
There have been many movements trying to simplify English spelling, to make it easier. Like enuf instead of enough, etc etc. Obviously they have not worked.
Fun Fact: Ben Franklin tried to get a reformed spelling for English.

Edit: I'd love to see þ and ð added to English, but I doubt þat will happen.

Edited by Johntm on 08 April 2010 at 11:54pm
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apatch3
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 Message 54 of 72
08 April 2010 at 11:58pm | IP Logged 
We could start by getting rid of the silly spelling differences between English in different countries!
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QiuJP
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 Message 55 of 72
09 April 2010 at 8:10am | IP Logged 
unityandoutside wrote:
QiuJP wrote:
MarcoDiAngelo wrote:
dantalian wrote:
QiuJP wrote:
For Russian:

Please put back the alphabets that represented unstressed vowels! Even natives have problem on whether to spell я, е, or и in an unstressed position.


Not for anything!
Any changes in spelling inevitably result in difficulty in understanding of the former cultural heritage for the next generations.
I'd rather return the prerevolutionary Russian orthography with all its complications than think of any further simplification .:))


I disagree. For example, you have every important Russian literary work re-printed with new orthography rules. Every literate person can read them and you have children who don't have to memorize "yat-words" and you also don't have to write many unnecessary letters. Isn't that better than it was before?


I think you have all missunderstood me. All I would like to see is:

і to replace "я", "е", and "и" in unstressed position. It is also used if there is an ambiguity in meaning, for example: мир (world , but also peace)

Є to replace e in unstressed "ye" sound like in знаешь.

ә to replace unstressed "a" or "o"

All these small changes is sufficient to make Russian more phonetic.


Stress is too unstable in Russian to reflect it in orthography. Some words would just become unrecognizable messes when you put them into inflected forms. I don't know about you, but having to change the entire spelling of words like голова is way worse than just changing the ending and remembering some stress changes.


At least in a phonetic spelling setting, words like голова can be easily identified as another class of words that changes their stresses. Sometimes, I still have difficulty identifying the stress even through I knew the declinations or the conjugations of such words perfectly. As a result, I might have sound uneducated to the natives' ear.
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QiuJP
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 Message 56 of 72
09 April 2010 at 8:22am | IP Logged 
lichtrausch wrote:
Chinese, Japanese, Korean: 漢字統一


It is quite difficult, considering the fact that East Asia is not political united as the German speaking nations. This is probaly the reason why the German speaking nations can get down together and discuss the orthography issue!


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