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Captain Haddock
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Message 57 of 72

09 April 2010 at 11:58am | IP Logged

Johntm wrote:

Edit: I'd love to see þ and ð added to English, but I doubt þat will happen.

I'd like to see boþ of ðem added, as well as æsh.
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chucknorrisman
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Message 58 of 72

09 April 2010 at 1:09pm | IP Logged

lichtrausch wrote:

chucknorrisman wrote:

And peace is important, but I guess the Japanese and we Koreans have our ethnic identities and cultures that we want to preserve as well, and one way to do that is through keeping the scripts of our language instead of replacing them with those of Chinese.

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I don't think anyone is arguing for replacing Kana or Hangeul with Chinese characters.

Oh, I thought you were. My mistake!

[QUOTE] My wish is that Chinese loan words (which make up about half the vocabulary of both languages) would be written using traditional Chinese characters in both Korean and Japanese. And that Chinese would use traditional characters as well. Basically similar to the old days except without Classical Chinese or 文語体 or any of that.

I can see what you are saying, but adding Chinese characters to these two languages whose grammars are considered to be more difficult than that of Chinese to English speakers in general would only make the learning harder.

And if we are trying to unite the nations with the Chinese orthography, how about using the simplified? That would be easier on the learners as well.

And what do you think of adding Vietnamese to that list too? It also has a lot of Chinese loan words.

Personally I am a person who wants to see native Korean words replace the Sino-Korean and at least take up more than 50% of the language (native Korean words are estimated to be only about 35%), but that's a rant for another place and time.

Edited by chucknorrisman on 09 April 2010 at 1:10pm
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elvisrules
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Message 59 of 72

09 April 2010 at 3:12pm | IP Logged

Captain Haddock wrote:

Johntm wrote:

Edit: I'd love to see þ and ð added to English, but I doubt þat will happen.

I'd like to see boþ of ðem added, as well as æsh.

æ is used sometimes
mediæval
encyclopædia
etc
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lichtrausch
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Message 60 of 72

09 April 2010 at 11:42pm | IP Logged

chucknorrisman wrote:

Already knowing Chinese characters from their own scripts is a huge benefit for Japanese and Koreans who are learning Chinese in rapidly increasing numbers.

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And if we are trying to unite the nations with the Chinese orthography, how about using the simplified? That would be easier on the learners as well.

I would rather support traditional characters for all the reasons that have been stated ad nauseam in other threads.

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And what do you think of adding Vietnamese to that list too? It also has a lot of Chinese loan words.

Since Vietnamese doesn't even use a Chinese character based script right now, I'm leaving them out of consideration.
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Captain Haddock
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Message 61 of 72

10 April 2010 at 5:54am | IP Logged

elvisrules wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

Johntm wrote:

Edit: I'd love to see þ and ð added to English, but
I doubt þat will happen.

I'd like to see boþ of ðem added, as well as æsh.

æ is used sometimes
mediæval
encyclopædia
etc

Technically, that's not the Old English / Middle English letter ash, but an a-e ligature used for writing more recent
Latin loanwords.
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Johntm
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Message 62 of 72

10 April 2010 at 7:48am | IP Logged

Captain Haddock wrote:

Johntm wrote:

Edit: I'd love to see þ and ð added to English, but I doubt þat will happen.

I'd like to see boþ of ðem added, as well as æsh.

YES! ONE FOLLOWER! Too bad the mass of stupid people in the world wouldn't like it, it wouldn't work in their feeble minds.
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chucknorrisman
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Message 63 of 72

10 April 2010 at 3:42pm | IP Logged

Johntm wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

Johntm wrote:

Edit: I'd love to see þ and ð added to English, but I doubt þat will happen.

I'd like to see boþ of ðem added, as well as æsh.

YES! ONE FOLLOWER! Too bad the mass of stupid people in the world wouldn't like it, it wouldn't work in their feeble minds.

I'm also with you guys on ðat. The "th" sound will finally have some distinction.
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Cainntear
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Message 64 of 72

10 April 2010 at 11:12pm | IP Logged

I don't think we need to reinstate eth and thorn -- radher we can introduce a DH digraph for dhe voiced sound, by analogy to TH and consistent with the distinction between T & D. Much easier with the computers we have dhese days dhan adding two new letters, don't you think?

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