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16 June 2010 at 5:31pm | IP Logged 
Are my following sentences grammatically correct:

If there is a new idea, it should have been built off an existed one.

2- Students should read already existed ideas and build off them.

3- I'm pretty sure that that idea was already mentioned.

I think I have to repeat "that" twice!

Edited by Fasulye on 16 June 2010 at 7:36pm

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 Message 2 of 14
16 June 2010 at 7:23pm | IP Logged 
Here is how I would write them:

1. If there is a new idea, it should be built off an existing one.
2. Students should build off already existing ideas.
3 is perfect

Edited by GREGORG4000 on 16 June 2010 at 7:24pm

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 Message 3 of 14
16 June 2010 at 7:47pm | IP Logged 
GREGORG4000 wrote:
2. Students should build off already existing ideas.
Yup. The expression "[to] read ideas" doesn't make much sense. An idea per se is not a form of text, therefore it cannot be read.
You could just add that the ideas are known:
"Students should build off already existing and known ideas."
But it's redundant as the sentence without it already implies that those ideas are known.

Edited by Derian on 16 June 2010 at 7:54pm

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16 June 2010 at 10:05pm | IP Logged 
That is clear to me now. thanks all!
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 Message 5 of 14
17 June 2010 at 3:58am | IP Logged 
Honest wrote:
I think I have to repeat "that" twice!


Not necessarily. "That" is often omitted when used as a conjunction (the first "that" in your sentence), especially in casual writing or speech. In fact, the sentence quoted above has an omitted "that": I think (that) I have to repeat "that" twice!

Here's a blog post with good tips on when to leave out "that":

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/when-to-leave-out-that. aspx
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17 June 2010 at 11:32am | IP Logged 
Great tips! thanks!
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 Message 7 of 14
17 June 2010 at 4:18pm | IP Logged 
I would build on, not off.
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 Message 8 of 14
17 June 2010 at 6:13pm | IP Logged 
Okay, so here is how you really say it, you need to use the word of.

So your sentences should be:

If there is a new idea, it should have been built off of an existed one.

2- Students should read already existed ideas and build off of them.

^^those are right, maybe not the way I would word them, but they are correct


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