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Kary
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28 June 2010 at 6:38pm | IP Logged 
I was wondering if anyone here has done a comparison of different "tenses" of verbs in German, Spanish and French. By tense in this context, quite improperly, I mean the whole tense/mood/aspect/etc.

I know you can't directly equate a tense from one language with another, but I've been trying to get a rough picture. Unfortunately, I'm most familiar the French, somewhat familiar with Spanish and pretty clueless with German. It doesn't help that different sources use different naming conventions.

So far for French, I have identified 26 tenses, but that is including infintif, participe présent, participe passé, futur proche, passé simple, and passé récent. For Spanish, I think I've identified twenty-one tenses; for German, nineteen.
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28 June 2010 at 6:59pm | IP Logged 
I think this is where the 501 XXXX Verb books come in handy. I just got the French and
Japanese versions. They go over all tenses for each verb.
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I have an older version for German - only seventeen tenses with limited explanations and not identifying the German names, making it more difficult to research further. My newer version for Spanish covers eighteen tenses and uses Spanish names (although not exactly matching with RAE). I don't have a French version, but that's fine as I have other sources. I also have the Schaum's Outlines: German Grammar but, again, only English names and a reduced set of tenses.

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28 June 2010 at 7:58pm | IP Logged 
Kary wrote:
I don't have a French version, but that's fine as I have other sources.


By great coincidence, I was reading the latest edition of Barron's 501 French Verbs as I noticed this thread. It states there are fourteen tenses in French - seven of which are simple, and seven of which are compound (i.e. the seven simple tenses with avoir or etre added).

Of course, other books give different totals: my biggest french grammar book (Advanced French Grammar by Monique L'Huillier) claims their are twenty two tenses. So, it all depends what you count as a tense.
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28 June 2010 at 9:02pm | IP Logged 
Splog wrote:
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Of course, other books give different totals: my biggest french grammar book (Advanced French Grammar by Monique L'Huillier) claims their are twenty two tenses. So, it all depends what you count as a tense.

Just an extra information to this.
These are the tenses you will find in the famous Bescherelle.

Indicatif (temps simple) - présent, imparfait, passé simple, futur simple
           (temps composé) - passé composé, plus-que-parfait, passé antérieur, futur antérieur
Subjonctif (temps simple) - présent, imparfait
             (temps composé) - passé, plus-que-parfait
Impératif (temps simple) - présent
           (temps composé) - passé
Conditionnel (temps simple) - présent
               (temps composé) - passé 1re forme, passé 2e forme
Participe (temps simple) - présent
           (temps composé) - passé
Infinitif (temps simple) - présent
           (temps composé) - passé

Those called "passé récent" and "futur proche" are not tenses but simply syntaxic forms which already existed decades ago and were recently added by a few people to the list of tenses, and are formed by using a conjugated extra verb to the infinitive form. And the one called gérontif is simply the participle form with the preposition "en".



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