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Torn at the seams by many languages

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apatch3
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 Message 9 of 25
09 April 2010 at 1:18am | IP Logged 
I would never be caught studying more than 2 languages at once, also I would never study to similar languages at the same time. Set yourself clear goals and its always good to aim high but remember actually LEARNING a language (which to me means achieving native fluency) takes years and years, there are subtle nuances that no textbook will teach you that no instant ramen-esque course will feed you with. A note about Japanese (be prepared to set an hour aside every day for kanji review during this time you will make next to no progress learning Japanese but it is necessary to remain literate) Don't let me put you off though I just believe that its something everyone needs to hear a lot of people go prancing into japanese thinking its just going to be another walk in the park my point being there's a reason it has more cacti! lol.
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ellasevia
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 Message 10 of 25
09 April 2010 at 1:23am | IP Logged 
datsunking1 wrote:
I've picked out 6 languages that I want to study to fluency (I'm still thinking about Japanese)

Spanish, German, Russian, Italian and Portuguese.

Spanish I have a pretty good grasp of (I want to be near native like in German, Russian, and Spanish, which I don't think will be difficult. I have a lot of time ahead of me) Italian and Portuguese shouldn't be difficult either because of my knowledge of Spanish (Romance family :D)

I made my goals short, clear, and simple. I would rather know a small amount of languages very well than know a lot to a sub-par level. However, it is ALL about what you want.


You can likely achieve much more than this in my opinion, greatly owing to the similarities between your target Romance languages. If you pursue active and structured study of each Romance language, using your existing knowledge of Spanish as a "skeleton" to help guide you, but then learning the language itself to fill out the rest of the "body," I think you will be very successful.

Personally, I believe that if you aim high (but accepting you will not get all of what you want done), you will surprise yourself by doing even more than you imagined. I would definitely add Japanese to your list for two more reasons:
1. It is a wonderful language in of itself.
2. I am going to quote what my grandfather, a polyglot linguist, once wrote to me for this reason:

Allan Taylor wrote:
I cannot stress too much that exotic languages like Japanese, Chinese, and to some extent, Russian, are cognitively very important, more so than the languages closely related to English, which are really in many ways just English in a foreign costume. They are useful for training you in how to learn languages, particularly in the discipline and exercise of learning and using a language, but it is the more exotic ones which really teach you to view the world through a different lense.

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apatch3
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 Message 11 of 25
09 April 2010 at 1:29am | IP Logged 
Wise words. To me french seems like English in a pompous disguise XD

Edited by apatch3 on 09 April 2010 at 1:29am

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datsunking1
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 Message 12 of 25
09 April 2010 at 3:44am | IP Logged 
I figured if I set aside

3-4 years for German
3-4 years for Russian
1 for Italian and 1 for Portuguese (They are very easy in my opinion, I could easily put in 300-400 hours into each in a year)

that's 10 years max study, not to mention the little building points like reading and building my vocab.

For Russian and German 4 years is probably more than enough too.

Maybe I'll start on Japanese before I'm 30! :D (I'm 18 now)

Thank you for your kinda words :) I just don't want to forget anything I learn. I want it all to be active you know? I don't want to "re-learn" it all :/
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ellasevia
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 Message 13 of 25
09 April 2010 at 5:21am | IP Logged 
Yep, those look about right, but depends on the level you aim to get to. Three to four years of German and Russian should get you to a pretty advanced level (my grandfather learned Russian to a level of native fluency fairly quickly, I think; I'll ask him), at which point it really wouldn't hurt you to add on more languages.


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ellasevia
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 Message 14 of 25
09 April 2010 at 5:32am | IP Logged 
I just got a reply from my grandfather about this and he said it took him just four years to learn Russian to native fluency. He said that he took three years of university Russian and then one year of intensive study at the Army Language School.
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brian91
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 Message 15 of 25
09 April 2010 at 7:36pm | IP Logged 
I'm 18 and am learning Irish and German at the moment in school. I have rough he same level of fluency in each
and can agonize over which to study every day. I think I need to get more organized. However, when (if) I get to
university later this year I plan on focussing on Mandarin.
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Kounotori
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 Message 16 of 25
11 April 2010 at 1:55pm | IP Logged 
One thing to remember is the maxim "Jack of all trades, master of none".

To quit studying a language actively (especially one that you are absolutely interested in, but don't have any time for) can be really painful (Arabic in my case). However, it is necessary if you want to learn to speak a language fluently or practically at a near-native level. Then again, if you are gifted at languages, this shouldn't be a huge problem.

If, on the other hand, you are like 95% of all language learners, a fallible human being with a life to attend to, then limiting yourself to a single language (or two, or three, see how this is starting to snowball?) might be the most sensible thing to do.


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